Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Ken's Numismatic eBay Store US and World Coins, Bullion, and Exonumia. 300,000 items to help build your collection!
Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.
Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

How Do You Verify Your Coin? ;-)

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 1,072Next Topic
Page: of 2
New Member
VestedPocket's Avatar
Canada
21 Posts
 Posted 10/06/2024  9:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add VestedPocket to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Poll Question
let the polling begin!!

When you come across a coin, what's your first reaction to it? Do you assume it is fake and then try to figure out whether this is true or do you assume it is real and then try to verify if it is true?


Poll Choices
  Innocent until proven guilty
  Guilty until proven innocent

Edited by VestedPocket
10/06/2024 11:45 pm
Pillar of the Community
hfjacinto's Avatar
United States
6983 Posts
Pillar of the Community
PlumCrazy814's Avatar
United States
848 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PlumCrazy814 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the majority of the coins I come across are of little value, I presume they are real since it makes no sense to go to the effort to counterfeit them as gain would be ridiculously small. Even most error coins have minimal premium value, so I presume they are real. The only time I go to any significant effort to validate would be if they should contain, or might contain, precious metals, or if they should have high value relative to their monetary value. I guess my determination of high relative value in the case of non-precious metal cons would be around $10.00.for denominations up to $5, maybe double face beyond that if buying.
Edited by PlumCrazy814
10/07/2024 07:39 am
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
tdziemia's Avatar
United States
6896 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I voted innocent.

I suppose if you buy Morgans on ebay you might be justified in answering the other way, but I don't see a good statistical rationale otherwise if you buy from trusted sources.

Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
tdziemia's Avatar
United States
6896 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I don't understand the poll?


I took it to mean "When you come across a coin for sale somewhere..."

Other interpretations, like "When you come across a coin in pocket change... wouldn't make any sense.

My experience is mostly shaped by buying from reputable sellers, so it's been pretty much a non-issue. Burned twice on ebay as part of my education.
Edited by tdziemia
10/07/2024 08:46 am
Moderator
Learn More...
jbuck's Avatar
United States
157700 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Innocent until proven guilty.

The burden of proof is on me to make the determination.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
Zurie's Avatar
United States
5189 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  09:42 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Totally depends on the type of coin. California fractional gold I assume fake. Lincoln Cent I assume real.
Moderator
Learn More...
Sap's Avatar
Australia
16181 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is logically impossible to "prove a coin is genuine" - all you can "prove" is that it is not a kind of fake which your skill and science can detect. If it passes all your tests, it might be genuine - or it might be a really, really good fake.

The answer does depend on the context. If, for example, we're talking about an ancient coin being posted on the forum, I will always begin with the assumption that it might be fake. If we're talking about coins from a trusted and experienced dealer's inventory, I'm going to assume they're genuine.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
New Member
VestedPocket's Avatar
Canada
21 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VestedPocket to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, very interesting answers.

I was thinking about this from a risk stand point per se. Like everytime we buy a coin for numismatic purposes, it is a 'potential' investment for we don't know what might aspire in the future for that specific coin.
For example, when we talk about high mintage, it is all relative to the amount in circulation and this depends on how much are melted, lost at sea etc all depending on demand/supply for a specific metal type during a specific time. Since we don't know the future, there is always the probability that an event could cause a certain category of high mintage to be completely depleted to low mitnage (like the mint melting them for example).
So like when one buys a $10 coin, the risk is $10. I was wondering what mindset one should have when buying the coin; should it be one of risk mitigation at all times regardless of the type that you invest thereby creating it into a habit so that when one advances and purchases more expensive coins the habit is already engrained or if this approach should only be applied at certain times like when dealing with more expensive items and whether this would make one slightly vulnerable to error?
Also if one purchases with the mindset of innocent until proven guilty is this a better approach than guilty until proven innocent while studying in this field.

There is a range of collectors here all from amateurs to experienced so I thought it would be interesting to see if the habits are different among different experience levels.

Really interesting answers and I'm learning alot.
Moderator
Learn More...
Dearborn's Avatar
United States
64158 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well If I buy a coin and it has a 'COPY' counterstamp on it, I'll assume that it is fake
all others will have to be judged on their on merits.
Moderator
Learn More...
jbuck's Avatar
United States
157700 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
it is a 'potential' investment
Your mileage may vary, but I enjoy the hobby much more knowing my coins are not bought for investment, but enjoyment.
Pillar of the Community
jacrispies's Avatar
United States
3619 Posts
 Posted 10/07/2024  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Innocent until proven guilty.

The burden of proof is on me to make the determination.




Most US coin counterfeits can be detected very quickly from my experience, but gold usually needs a few more seconds because they are higher value and have better counterfeits circulating.
Suffering from bust half fever.
Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
New Member
VestedPocket's Avatar
Canada
21 Posts
 Posted 10/08/2024  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VestedPocket to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome!

Makes me wonder what my approach will be. I am not entirely decided as yet.
Bedrock of the Community
NumisRob's Avatar
United Kingdom
16078 Posts
 Posted 10/08/2024  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are modern circulating counterfeits that could fool some people. Immediately before the round brass UK pound coin was replaced by the current bimetallic version in 2017, it was estimated that as many as 3% of the pound coins in circulation were forgeries. A fair number of these forgeries must have been unwittingly taken overseas in the pockets of tourists or business travellers, and some must be appearing now in dealers' junk trays in the USA.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
tdziemia's Avatar
United States
6896 Posts
 Posted 10/09/2024  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...everytime we buy a coin for numismatic purposes, it is a 'potential' investment...


Like jbuck, "numismatic purposes" and "investment" are two different goals (just look at the dictionary definitions). I KNOW that on average I lose money when I re-sell coins in my current collection. But I don't care. Because I am a collector, and I care about the investment value of my investments, not my coin collection.

If you have future re-sale on your mind with every purchase, the simplest advice is to only buy slabbed coins. Someone else gets the responsibility for determining authenticity.

Moderator
Learn More...
jbuck's Avatar
United States
157700 Posts
 Posted 10/09/2024  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I KNOW that on average I lose money when I re-sell coins in my current collection. But I don't care. Because I am a collector, and I care about the investment value of my investments, not my coin collection.



Quote:
If you have future re-sale on your mind with every purchase, the simplest advice is to only buy slabbed coins. Someone else gets the responsibility for determining authenticity.
I have to agree.
  Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 1,072Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2025 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2025 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.48 seconds to rattle this change. Forums