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New Member
Canada
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Poll Question
let the polling begin!!    When you come across a coin, what's your first reaction to it? Do you assume it is fake and then try to figure out whether this is true or do you assume it is real and then try to verify if it is true?
Edited by VestedPocket 10/06/2024 11:45 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6983 Posts |
I don't understand the poll?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Since the majority of the coins I come across are of little value, I presume they are real since it makes no sense to go to the effort to counterfeit them as gain would be ridiculously small. Even most error coins have minimal premium value, so I presume they are real. The only time I go to any significant effort to validate would be if they should contain, or might contain, precious metals, or if they should have high value relative to their monetary value. I guess my determination of high relative value in the case of non-precious metal cons would be around $10.00.for denominations up to $5, maybe double face beyond that if buying.
Edited by PlumCrazy814 10/07/2024 07:39 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6896 Posts |
I voted innocent. I suppose if you buy Morgans on ebay you might be justified in answering the other way, but I don't see a good statistical rationale otherwise if you buy from trusted sources.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6896 Posts |
Quote: I don't understand the poll? I took it to mean "When you come across a coin for sale somewhere..." Other interpretations, like "When you come across a coin in pocket change... wouldn't make any sense. My experience is mostly shaped by buying from reputable sellers, so it's been pretty much a non-issue. Burned twice on ebay as part of my education.
Edited by tdziemia 10/07/2024 08:46 am
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Moderator
 United States
157700 Posts |
Innocent until proven guilty.
The burden of proof is on me to make the determination.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Totally depends on the type of coin. California fractional gold I assume fake. Lincoln Cent I assume real.
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Moderator
 Australia
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It is logically impossible to "prove a coin is genuine" - all you can "prove" is that it is not a kind of fake which your skill and science can detect. If it passes all your tests, it might be genuine - or it might be a really, really good fake.
The answer does depend on the context. If, for example, we're talking about an ancient coin being posted on the forum, I will always begin with the assumption that it might be fake. If we're talking about coins from a trusted and experienced dealer's inventory, I'm going to assume they're genuine.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
 Canada
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Wow, very interesting answers. I was thinking about this from a risk stand point per se. Like everytime we buy a coin for numismatic purposes, it is a 'potential' investment for we don't know what might aspire in the future for that specific coin. For example, when we talk about high mintage, it is all relative to the amount in circulation and this depends on how much are melted, lost at sea etc all depending on demand/supply for a specific metal type during a specific time. Since we don't know the future, there is always the probability that an event could cause a certain category of high mintage to be completely depleted to low mitnage (like the mint melting them for example). So like when one buys a $10 coin, the risk is $10. I was wondering what mindset one should have when buying the coin; should it be one of risk mitigation at all times regardless of the type that you invest thereby creating it into a habit so that when one advances and purchases more expensive coins the habit is already engrained or if this approach should only be applied at certain times like when dealing with more expensive items and whether this would make one slightly vulnerable to error? Also if one purchases with the mindset of innocent until proven guilty is this a better approach than guilty until proven innocent while studying in this field. There is a range of collectors here all from amateurs to experienced so I thought it would be interesting to see if the habits are different among different experience levels. Really interesting answers and I'm learning alot.  
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Moderator
 United States
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Well If I buy a coin and it has a 'COPY' counterstamp on it, I'll assume that it is fake all others will have to be judged on their on merits.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: it is a 'potential' investment Your mileage may vary, but I enjoy the hobby much more knowing my coins are not bought for investment, but enjoyment. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Innocent until proven guilty.
The burden of proof is on me to make the determination.  Most US coin counterfeits can be detected very quickly from my experience, but gold usually needs a few more seconds because they are higher value and have better counterfeits circulating.
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New Member
 Canada
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Awesome!
Makes me wonder what my approach will be. I am not entirely decided as yet.
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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There are modern circulating counterfeits that could fool some people. Immediately before the round brass UK pound coin was replaced by the current bimetallic version in 2017, it was estimated that as many as 3% of the pound coins in circulation were forgeries. A fair number of these forgeries must have been unwittingly taken overseas in the pockets of tourists or business travellers, and some must be appearing now in dealers' junk trays in the USA.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: ...everytime we buy a coin for numismatic purposes, it is a 'potential' investment... Like jbuck, "numismatic purposes" and "investment" are two different goals (just look at the dictionary definitions). I KNOW that on average I lose money when I re-sell coins in my current collection. But I don't care. Because I am a collector, and I care about the investment value of my investments, not my coin collection. If you have future re-sale on your mind with every purchase, the simplest advice is to only buy slabbed coins. Someone else gets the responsibility for determining authenticity.
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 United States
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Quote: I KNOW that on average I lose money when I re-sell coins in my current collection. But I don't care. Because I am a collector, and I care about the investment value of my investments, not my coin collection.  Quote: If you have future re-sale on your mind with every purchase, the simplest advice is to only buy slabbed coins. Someone else gets the responsibility for determining authenticity. I have to agree.
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