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(Let me first say upfront: I am a 100% newbie to ancient coin collecting. I apologize for not knowing correct coin terminology/acronyms and for asking ignorant questions. Please be patient!)
My adult son has recently taken an interest in ancient Greek and Roman history. His birthday is coming up, and I thought it would a nice gift to get him a coin minted during one of these time periods. When I started researching ancient coins, I got hooked on their beauty, history, and collecting community. Now I'm thinking of starting a small collection.
I'd still like to get my son a coin, but I'm also looking to get my first coin to start my collection.
My budget is around $1000 per coin.
These are the coins I've been thinking about.
Caesar (Elephant/Military/Rubicon) coin (for my son) Alexander the Great III/Zeus tetradrachm (Lifetime preferably) coin Athena/Owl tetradrachm coin Julian Comet (Augustus) coin
What do you folks think of my choices? Which, if any, would be your choice as the first coin in your collection? Am I missing a more important coin?
Thanks for your insights and advice!
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@floyd, first welcome to CCF. Second, with that level of budget you are definitely coming in hot. Any chance you would want to dip your toe in to test the waters a bit first? You didn't mention specifically, but do you already have a coin collection with a different focus? I'd hate have you drop a couple grand on a whim. Also, with high-priced items like these, it is definitely caveat emptor--do you already have a reliable source of coins?
Your list up above contains some iconic images to be sure, but depending on your specific area of interest (e.g. 12 Caesars, early images of Christianity, buildings motif, musical instrument motif, gods, etc.), you might want to branch out. Another random thought I'm having is that you could purchase a decent-sized lot of "uncleaned" Roman coins and have a father/son exploration into cleaning and identifying as many as you could.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Certainly not my wheelhouse but I would start out slowly if I were you. Dropping big bucks on something you know nothing about doesn't seem like a wise decision to me. If you are certain that you want to go the "Ancient" route, perhaps consider the Lydia Lion coin (circa 561 B.C.) I think this is generally considered the first of coinage but I am not certain about that. Good luck!
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Welcome to CCF! The coins you listed are certainly popular ancient coins. Many ancient coin collectors want an Athens silver tetradrachm, an Alexander the Great silver tetradrachm, a Roman silver denarius of Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius etc, a coin of Cleopatra VII or Biblical coins like Herod the Great, the small prutah called the widows mite, etc. Ancient coins can be inexpensive to very expensive. As with modern coins ancient coins prices depend on condition, demand and rarity. Late Roman bronze coins can be an enjoyable place to start, they are plenitful and many don't cost much, for example a bronze coin of Constantine the Great, the first Christian emperor. There are good places to buy ancient coins, from long time honest dealers, like on Vcoins or auction houses like CNG coins, Harlan J Berk or online sites like sixbid, coinfoxa. There are some honest good ancient coin sellers on ebay but be very careful, there are fake coins too. All the coins in your want list have been faked. There's a few web sites with databases of fake ancient coins. Some modern fakes are easy to spot with casting bubbles but other fakes are done well, an experienced dealer's eye is important to spot style differences and forger errors. There are databases to look up ancient coins like acsearch.info. There are ancient coins reference books you can buy. Sounds like you've been doing some research, that's wise. For about twenty years my quest was to collect one coin from every mint city and personality that had coins struck in their name in the Bible. Coins from some cities are common like Rome, Athens, Corinth, Alexandria etc. Other Bible cities only struck coins for a few years and are rare. There are ancient coin collectors and some dealers in the major cities, not so much in small towns. Ancient coin collectors are a minority in the numismatic world, there's a lot more modern coin collectors. But ancient history is really fun to learn about and having a 2,000 year old coin in your hand is very cool.
Edited by livingwater 02/07/2025 10:06 pm
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Wow! What wonderful and fast responses! I'm probably going to get the Julius Caesar denarius because of its connection to Caesar crossing the Rubicon, an event my son has a special interest in. For him to hold a coin in his hand that likely was held by one of Caesar's soldiers would be an out-of-body experience for him. But I really like the idea of buying a lot of uncleaned Roman coins and cleaning them with my son! Sweet idea! But I'd have to do some research both into how to clean ancient coins and how to properly buy uncleaned coins. I appreciate and fully understand having a focus when it comes to collecting ancient coins or any collectable for that matter. The 12 Caesars is a great idea! You'll all laugh, but the reason I like the Alexander and Athens tetradrachm coins is because they are so cool looking. But, yeah, I need to find a focus. I appreciate the advise about watching the budget. But I like to jump in the deep end. I like silver. I like big. I like beautiful. And I like a strong historical connection. The heavily worn coins lack many of the details that make the coin beautiful. Thank you for the online coin sources. I couple of them I'm familiar with, but most I'll have to check out. Yeah... ebay is scary. While I feel bad for the legit sellers on ebay, it's just too dangerous. Thanks again, everyone!
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I collected coins when I was a kid. Probably like many kids my age, I was given one of those blue folding books for Lincoln pennies with all the dates/mints. It was a fun thing to do with my mom, but then I got a stereo. Goodbye coins. The only thing I really collected with any commitment was conetop beer cans!
So, nope, the only coins I currently have are in one of those large glass containers with the a top just big enough for a quarter.
Oh, wait, I take that back. My dad bought my son an American-coin proof set with a gold coin as part of the collection of coins. But that's my son's.
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very good choices---imo---stay away from ebay---
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Yeah be careful buying on ebay. But as I said some ebay stores are legit. A CCF member sells ancient coins there, totally honest and safe. There's several sites talking about cleaning ancient coins including here on CCF. It's important not to overclean, don't scratch them, try not to take off the original patina. You can experiement with inexpensive late Roman bronze coins. I really like the classic Athens tetradrachms with the reverse incuse. When the obverses have the full crest on the helmet they are scarce and cost more. Often the dies were a little bigger than the silver so it's common for some of the crest to be missing or part of Athena's nose missing. In my opinion it's better to buy one with full nose, good metal not porous. Here's two of my better Athens owls, one with full crest, the other with full incuse.  
Edited by livingwater 02/08/2025 08:15 am
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I was interested in finding the oldest coins and started with Lydia, Persia and Mysia silver and electrum coins. I use CNG auctions frequently. Prices have gone up a lot over the last 5 years. If you're looking for heavy and big silver, tetradrachms are great. Here's a Seleucid: 
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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All those on your list definitely have the WOW factor and should hold their value should you ever need to resell. I can't emphasize enough the importance of a reliable dealer. Consider going to a large coin show where you may have a few dealers of ancients. Look at the coins, handle them (carefully) and talk to the dealers.
Uncleaned coins are an interesting idea but for the inexperienced they can be a major source of frustration. Many large bags of uncleaned coins have many which are little more than ancient slugs of copper and will never be identifiable. Reading the inscriptions takes work and experience. If you do buy some, take a look at them first to see how many have an image and or an inscription. The fewer of those, the less the value per coin.
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Thanks again, everyone! I'm getting excited to buy my first ancient coin!
Livingwater... I am sooooo jealous. Those Athens Owls are gorgeous! I got a feeling those were a tad more than $1K! Wanna sell one? :)
Attending a coin show would be a blast and very educational. The problem is I live in Wisconsin, not a large metropolitan area (NY, LA, etc.). There aren't any coin shows in my area (that I'm aware of). I called a relatively well know coin dealer near me and asked if he sold ancient coins. He literally chuckled over the phone and followed it with a definitive "NO." I get the feeling collecting ancients is not a big part of the coin collecting world.
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Are auctions the way to go to get the best deal, considering there's the buyer premium to pay, PayPal/credit card fees, and higher shipping/insurance fees (seems like most auctions are in Europe)? Or can buying from a reseller like Vcoins be just as competitively priced?
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Finding specific ancient coins isn't easy. I have a daric from a CNG sale that I got on ebay, not long after they sold a group of them. But not every CNG sale has any darics, and with scarcity the auction prices get pushed. I could not replace it for twice what I paid. The Athens tetradrachms are relatively abundant, but every one wants them, which keeps prices high. One type that's relatively abundant right now is Celtic electrum staters. They're pretty crude, but they look like modern art.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 02/08/2025 7:41 pm
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Quote: imo---stay away from ebay--- 100% agree--better is to look at vcoins and ma-shops, although this isn't foolproof either. We all have our bruises.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Fakes -- good fakes -- abound in ancient coins. If you are inexperienced, stick with a coin encapsulated in an NGC or PCGS holder. You can break it out ("crack") if you don't like it being in plastic.
You're better off with some books & education before jumping into the most heavily counterfeited area of coins. (I also advocate buying fakes to better understand the difference.)
Roman bronzes can be had cheap, and are a good intro to ancients. Going to coin shows can give you some good exposure & handling experience, too.
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