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Two Athena Owls: Are They The Same Desirability?
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Old Post Posted 02/24/2025  07:04 am
Here's two more links about the different stages of the Athens owls. There are more detailed reference books about them too. The most production and most commonly available is the "classic" design from about 454-404 BC. Many dies were used so there are variations of the classic design as Sap said.

The last owl design was a flat round coin like we use today. I have three of the flat ones.

In total Athens likely struck hundreds of thousands if not millions of silver tetradrachms. I think thousands remain today though it would be difficult to know how many there are with so many collectors owning them and those in museums.

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/articl...etradrachms/

https://coinweek.com/the-tetradrach...-and-athena/

Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Breaking Apart A NGC Case: Stupid Idea?
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Old Post Posted 02/23/2025  8:27 pm
Slabs don't protect coins from the environment much but they certainly protect them from being scratched, dinged, from human fingerprints......
Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Three Latest Pottery Pickups
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Old Post Posted 02/23/2025  11:17 am
Amazing collection, love it, all the history they represent.

Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins

Question About An Athenian Owl
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Old Post Posted 02/22/2025  08:36 am
Compare pics of my Athens tetradrachms in your other post to pics you posted here. Notice mine have no cleaning scratches, no porous pits, are not badly worn, etc. When you buy an ancient or modern coin, avoid those with surface problems unless it's cheap and that's all you want to spend.
Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Personal Dilemma- Scuffed ICG Slab 1948 Franklin MS63 FBL
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Old Post Posted 02/21/2025  4:53 pm
It tried Novus polishing compound, 1, 2, 3 grades on a coin slab. I worked on it for over an hour, didn't make much difference. Maybe I quit too soon. Those slabs seem pretty hard. Deep scratches likely can't be removed with polishing.

It's rather frustrating to buy a new coin recently slabbed from a dealer and there's already light scratches on the slab.
Forum: US Modern Coins
 
Question About An Athenian Owl
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Old Post Posted 02/21/2025  4:47 pm
It's been very harshly cleaned. Save your money and buy a nicer one with good metal surface, natural wear.
Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Breaking Apart A NGC Case: Stupid Idea?
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Old Post Posted 02/21/2025  06:48 am
Some collectors like slabbed ancient coins, some do not. I prefer mine not slabbed. Modern collecitble coins can be damaged if touched/handled with your fingers. Ancient coins can be held, no problem. I enjoy holding my ancient coins, imagining who held them, used them over a thousand years ago. Of course when I hold one I do it above a table so I don't drop it on the floor.

You could put an ancient coin in a display case lika a museum. But then peeple could only see one side of it unless you suspend it over the top of a mirror. Friends and family would likely enjoy actually holding one rather than just looking at it. You could buy a few inexpensive ancient coins to hold and buy an expensive one slabbed or in a case to look at. Vcoins is a good place to buy in my opinion. There's a few CCF members that sell ancient coins on ebay and/or Vcoins, you can trust them, Victor's Imperial Coins for example. You can buy decent late Roman bronze coins for around $25.

I would not spend the money to buy a slabbed ancient coin that provides authenticity and protection then break it out, especially if it's an expensive one.

Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Unidentified Ancient Greek Coin
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Old Post Posted 02/20/2025  07:11 am
It looks Greek, Zeus/rider on horse. Several cities struck coins like this. But yours is so worn it's difficult to say. You could try to find a match on Wildwinds or acsearch.info.
Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Which Company For Roman Gold Coin Grading? (Australia)
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Old Post Posted 02/20/2025  06:48 am
Yes, NGC is a good company to grade anceint coins. Import/export restrictions have been increasing. It depends on the country of origin and how the package is labeled. Usually small packages, single coins are not examined very often, it's large lots of mulitple coins and large antiquities that may get stopped at customs. I never had any problems recieving an ancient coin sent to USA from Europe, except one got lost in the mail years ago.

You could post photos of the coin here on CCF, get opinions if the coin is worth grading.


Forum: Third Party Coin Grading (TPG): PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG, ETC.
 
Decadrachm Of Syracuse Or Replica
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Old Post Posted 02/18/2025  2:02 pm
Sorry I couldn't ID it for certain. Family stories can sometimes be wrong. My stepfather had a photo of Marilyn Monroe he gave me. He said his army buddy took it in Korea when she visited the troups in 1954. After my stepfather died I found out it was a photo actually taken by a newspaper photographer while she was in Mexico.
Forum: World Coin Grading
 
Decadrachm Of Syracuse Or Replica
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Old Post Posted 02/18/2025  1:23 pm
Welcome to CCF! It is not a Syracuse silver decadrachm, way too small. It looks bronze/copper to me. You could try cleaning it but I doubt there's any silver underneath.

It's possible but I'm not aware the ancient Greeks made the quadriga NIke and Arethusa with dolphins in small bronzes.

In Italy, Greece, Turkey, Egypt etc. when tourists visit they can buy modern replicas/fakes made to look ancient and modern made antiquities too, but they are not ancient. Your coin could be modern made for tourists. If it was an ancient decadrachm counterfeit it would have been made the correct size and look silver.

If it's a modern replica it's not really worth much.
Forum: World Coin Grading
 
1887 O VAM 2 Doubled 1 Triple 7
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Old Post Posted 02/17/2025  07:27 am
Nice one. Vams are fun to find. Most of mine are circulated coins, some are MS graded. As you likely know, many Vam numbers do not add much value to a coin. Some Vams do add value to a coin and have been given names like "scarface" "hot lips" etc. The most popular Vams are in Elite Clashed Morgan Dollars book, Top 100 list, Hot 50, etc.
Forum: US Peace and Morgan Dollar VAM
 
1884 O Multiple VAMS?
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Old Post Posted 02/16/2025  8:27 pm
No, I've never heard of multiple Vams on one coin. Vams can have different die stages like early, middle, late such as die cracks, die breaks as the die is wearing out. So a specifc Vam may look somewhat different depending on the stage. Plus Vamworld does not always list every indicator in the descriptions. There are differences between each Vam number, some obvious, sometimes small differences that can only be seen with a magnifier.
Forum: US Peace and Morgan Dollar VAM

US Mint 2025 Right To Petition Platinum Proof Commemorative To Be Released On February 20th, 2025
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Old Post Posted 02/16/2025  2:19 pm
I don't buy platinum but really like the eagle design, better than the new AGE, ASE in my opinion.
Forum: US Commemoratives and Non-Circulating Coinage (NCLT) Including Grading, Varieties, and Errors
 
What Is The Market Like For Communion Tokens?
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Old Post Posted 02/14/2025  07:05 am
I'm glad you found it. I don't know much about the communion tokens market. Some people collect various tokens but I think most collect coins. Here's two of mine 1819 Glasgow, 1844 Inverness. Some of them are uniface, a design only on one side.


Forum: Identification: Unidentified Coins, Medals, and Tokens
 
What Is The Market Like For Communion Tokens?
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Old Post Posted 02/14/2025  06:43 am
I have about 25 communion tokens from Scotland. Mine range from 1678 to 1862. I'm not familiar with yours. Communion tokens were made in different cities and churches, some made in Canada and USA. If you do a browser search for books about them you'll find several. It there's a college library in your area you could see if they have any of these reference books.

Yours isn't in good condition so it won't be worth as much as a better one. You can go to ebay sold listing searches to get a general idea what they are selling for. I bought mine years ago, ranging in price from $2 each for a group lot to $35 each.
Forum: Identification: Unidentified Coins, Medals, and Tokens
 
Why Are So Many Ancient Coins Struck Off-Center?
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Old Post Posted 02/12/2025  10:25 pm
I wonder if anyone in modern times have used the three man team to test how many coins they could strike per hour.

Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Why Are So Many Ancient Coins Struck Off-Center?
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Old Post Posted 02/11/2025  8:17 pm
Thanks Sap and thg for your input.
Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Why Are So Many Ancient Coins Struck Off-Center?
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Old Post Posted 02/11/2025  2:11 pm
Maybe there were daily production numbers to make, quantity over quality. I don't know if anyone has ever tried to calculate the percentage of ancient coins struck off center. In my opinion many ancient coins are pretty well center struck considering the manual methods used.

Sometimes a coin wasn't struck off center, the blanks were a little too small for the dies. Dealers will sometimes describe such coins as struck on a small flan. This happened with the massive production of Athens silver tetradrachms made for roughly four hundred years. The style of the design changed over time. Many of them have the crest of Athena's helmet missing or Athena's tip of nose missing. On the reverse the owl's feet may be missing or some of the letters missing. Below is one of my Athens owls showing this. I have no clue why they were made this way, guessing quantity over quality.

Forum: Ancient, Greek, Roman, and Medieval Coins
 
Are You Buying Boxes Of Pennies, Cents Now That They Stopped Making Them?
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Old Post Posted 02/11/2025  2:04 pm
In four years a new President could order cents to be made again for the good of all Americans, an honored tradition.....
Forum: US Modern Coins
 


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