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Pre33 Gold XRF Test Results With Ag ?

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Hi guys!
I have a question about some xrf results , regarding the metal composition?
I tested 3 coins , a 1888 $1 lib, 1913 $2.50 Indian and a 1904 $20 Liberty.

I know it's supposed to be 90% Au 10% Cu , but all 3 came back with 0.3% silver? I also tested another $5 1909-d indian and that has 0.2% Silver?

They all weigh correctly and correct dimensions

I'm wondering if this is normal and has anyone else that xrf checks their coins had similar results?

I've added the pics ,
If anybody would know it's you guys!
Much appreciated &



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Sorry I can't help you mate, I don't have any experience with the XRF but those are some beautiful gold coins. Congrats!
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It is normal.
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Trace elements - absolutely normal.
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You are wrong about the composition.

https://maint.loc.gov/law/help/stat...2s3ch131.pdf


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SEC. 13. That the standard for both gold and silver coins of the United States shall be such that of one thousand parts by weight nine hundred shall be of pure metal and one hundred of alloy; and the alloy of the silver coins shall be of copper, and the alloy of the gold coins shall be of copper, or of copper and silver; but the silver shall in no case exceed one-tenth of the whole alloy.


This allows 0%-10% silver, which implies 10%-0% copper as the other 90% must be gold.
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.3 is so negligible, nothing to worry about.
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UK sovereigns and French 20Fs also use copper as the secondary metal with the gold.

English guineas used an equal mixture of silver and copper for the alloy, according to this 1776 report:

The English Standard for gold is 22. carats of fine gold + 2. carats alloy. I.e. 1/12 alloy of silver and copper in equal parts.

https://founders.archives.gov/docum...1-01-02-0214

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In fact, you can sometimes estimate where the silver was mined by the trace elements...

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1018210108
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...409X16305107

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