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Canada
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  This weighs 0.87 grams and has a diameter of 11-12 mm. The cross on one side and the large P on the other are the only thingws that I can make out. The colour is kind of a rainbow toning which is probably the result of a cleaning.
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@ori, have you looked at medieval Spain yet? That is what the cross reminds me of anyways.
Added: can you also please post an edge pic? Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I was thinking Carolingian, specifically king Pepin
or possibly, French feudal.
Does it appear to be silver?
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Pillar of the Community
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@ori, have you looked at medieval Spain yet? That is what the cross reminds me of anyways. Me too. Rotate the cross 90 degrees and it could be lions and castles in the corners of the cross. And plenty of rulers with first initial P.
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1. I'll check medieval Spain. Yes, it appears there might be a castle.
2. I can't post a picture of the edge now but it is featureless with no cracks. Possibly clipped.
3. Yes, it appears to be silver,
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I searched all the Spanish states in numista-26 pages-but didn't come close to a match.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I also search the 40 pages of French states and 4 pages of Carolingian with no match. I wonder if there was writing around the edges which was clipped off.
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United States
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It does look like something may have been done to the edge. That is why I was asking you to add a pic of that. Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by Kamnaskires
11/16/2024 2:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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 - I can't figure out the difference between the Philip III type and the Philip IV type but this looks like it's probably one of those. (There's also a Philip II type and a Philip V type, and all of them look about the same.) Most of the examples I see online are attributed to Philip IV even though they don't seem to have much more detail. 0.87 grams is about half the expected weight a half real; I suspect it was heavily clipped at some point.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Interesting coin, Oriole ... is it silver? ... It could be a counterfeit ... hard to tell from the pics if this coin was struck, or cast from a mold (all Spanish coins were struck, either by hand or pressed in a machine) ...seems to somewhat mimic Mexico City 1/2 real issues, but it's hard to tell from the pics ... the cross seems to be Mexico City's Jerusalem cross with fleur de lis ends, & the figures in the quadrants seem to possibly be lions & castles, but the figures seem transposed from the normal castle/lion upper half, lion castle lower half (see diagram ... this transposition of castle/lion is unlisted in any Mexico City cob varieties...  ...also, the edges (your cross pic) seem to have been filed, as this "coin" could have been shaved & clipped in circulation (normal practice in the day) ... normal weight for a 1/2 real if this era is apprx 3.4 grams ... ...would it be possible to post sharper pics, especially of the cross side?... Edited by mrwiskers
11/16/2024 3:45 pm
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but the figures seem transposed from the normal castle/lion upper half, lion castle lower half The castles are, correctly, upper left and lower right; the photo in the OP is rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise (i.e. the castles are horizontal on the pic).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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...thanks, January1may ... couldn't tell for certain ...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'll check Mexico under Spain. I'll try to get a sharper picture but I was struggling with that one.
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Pillar of the Community
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Studying it closely with my glass gives me a very high degree of confidence that it is a heavily clipped 1/2 real of one of the Philips, Mexico under Spain. Under the "o" to the left of the P looks very like a blurred M. Within the cross there are clearly some castles and some lion-like blobs. In this condition it obviously has minimal value, as I think that it is too heavily worn and clipped to narrow down the ID any further.
Thanks for the excellent sleuthing, folks.
Edited by oriole
11/17/2024 8:56 pm
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my mistake ... correct weight for a 1/2 real is apprx 1.7 grams, not 3.4g, as I had stated ...
...your coin has been clipped down to 1/2 it's weight, & was probably done so to make change ... the cross is full, so, whoever shaved it was careful to keep the design intact ... it still has value, as a circulated piece ... just not as much as if it were whole ...
Edited by mrwiskers
11/18/2024 07:44 am
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