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Need a little comedy to soothe you? Turn to YouTube and some assorted financial networks! Remember those knuckleheads who used hyperbole and scare tactics to get you to buy precious metals, saying that Wednesday was the day! The Fed's gonna cut and gold and silver are gonna take off like a Saturn V rocket!!! In the aftermath of Powell's news conference, try finding one this afternoon or evening as he/she attempts to backpeddle. Tune in again tomorrow when they post new content either saying the rocket takes off any minute now... or completely ignoring their predictions and scare headlines and moving onto something else. Perhaps Cheerios Presidential dollars. Am I right, Peter Schiff, or am I right?
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Feds cut 1/2 point. Gold down $10.80 - Silver down $0.60 - see what tomorrow brings......
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Somewhere, the sun will come out tomorrow...(Annie)
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The markets should have been expecting a rate cut. Happens like clockwork every four years. You've got to goose the stock market with enough lead time that people see a bump in their October 401(k) statement.
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right.

the following quotes are from an email I sent to another ccf member 2 weeks ago.


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I've been seeing you tube blowing up with the same PM garbage videos that it always spews, they're just geared toward selling more. no prediction that I have seen has ever come close to being true. not one.

i know this is nothing new.

the following screen shots are from december 2021:


(in the email I shared screenshots of a number of videos, but in lieu of screenshots here I'm just going to list the video thumbnails' sales pitches, most of them are all caps, but I'm not going to do all caps)

December $6,000 gold!
$2,000 silver once this happens!
Gold & silver will crash!
Silver price will triple; $77!
Be ready! PMs are ripe for an outbreak!
Silver will make you rich!
Silver will go 10x-15x current price!
The real reason silver will explode next week!
Final warning for gold & silver!
Get ready for gold and silver mania as global financial system collapses!


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blah blah blah.

it's always the same. the thumbnails are all lies. when you click into the video and watch and listen, the spewing windbag talking head of the day (you know who they are) runs his mouth for just under 9 minutes while you're shown financial stock video footage of fake people in fake offices & fake meetings-- actors pretending to be movers & shakers in the financial realm-- all geared toward getting the viewer to spend. they talk a lot and say nothing. they never ever add any clarity, and the video never lives up to the thumbnail claim... and it's always the same generic stock video footage in all the videos.

'silver goes to the moon if THIS happens'

...which gets views because everyone wants to know what 'THIS' is, but they never tell you. it's always just windbags spewing babble & hot air.


if those people making those claims were right, they'd all be wealthy and probably wouldn't be posting videos on you tube.

the sales pitches I listed above look like they could have been from this past week, but they were actually from 2021.

those types of videos are made just to shake your cash away from you and waste your time.

thankfully, I've never acquired PMs because some you tube clown told me to. we here at First Pink Savings don't make it a habit of watching those videos, but we do have a peek at them from time to time just to see how they're going about trying to sell PMs this month. their tactics haven't really changed in several years.

i knew that rate cut was coming and I watched what gold did. it spiked up to $2,616 (or somewhere thereabouts) and fell back down to $2,573 (or somewhere thereabouts), lower than where it began the day.

hysterical. (<sarcasm)
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if those people making those claims were right, they'd all be wealthy and probably wouldn't be posting videos on you tube.
This.
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The last (only) 2 times the FED has started with a 50bp cut, the economy has gone into recession. All the talking heads this morning are talking about how great the market will be. It is not a signal of a good economy. If you are a long-term investor, it will be choppy but still up over time.
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I used to watch those Youtube channels, but it became painfully obvious that they were pumping silver no matter what and were sponsored by some of the larger online dealers. Not naming names of channels nor the sponsors, but watch a few videos and you will see a clear pattern. Doesn't stop me from making Ag/Au a part of my savings, but the constant hype is annoying.
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If you are a long-term investor, it will be choppy but still up over time.
Agreed. The dips feel rough, but part of the game. Over the last 30 years I am still in the black, so I cannot and will not complain.
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The gold tracking stock/etf $GLD is up +32% year to date & continues to hit all time highs. The Fed has started the interest rate cutting cycle, in which analysts believe we'll get 2 more .25 cuts before years end, cuts all through '25 & some in '26.
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if those people making those claims were right, they'd all be wealthy and probably wouldn't be posting videos on you tube.

Like Groucho Marx said, "I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me as a member."

Any YouTuber successful enough to know a sure thing in precious metals will already be too rich to bother with YouTube. I wouldn't want advice from anyone who needs to sell me their advice.

As an aside, I remember that Jim Cramer once talked on his podcast about what a joke the financial media was (and yes, the irony cannot be ignored). His podcast was serious, btw, and not the clown show he does on TV. His claim was that most news commentators just tried to fit the news of the day onto the market events of the day. Most of big action in the market was just a result of macro trends that caused sectors to be overbought or oversold. Only individual equities really moved on direct events that were newsworthy and reportable. It was a really excellent podcast. I wish I had saved the episodes before they suddenly just pulled it all down one day.
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Any YouTuber successful enough to know a sure thing in precious metals will already be too rich to bother with YouTube.
And would be greedy enough to hold onto the secrets.

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I wouldn't want advice from anyone who needs to sell me their advice.


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...what a joke the financial media was...
In the late 1990s and early aughts, I watched all those cable news finance shows religiously. Not for the advice, but the sheer entertainment. Talking heads going at each other with absolute certainty that one was right and the other was wrong. I had the mindset that the WWE could not write better scripts.
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I don't watch that stuff. Maybe my Dad did. He bought base metal proof sets, royalty trusts and Texaco toy airplanes.

After he died I learned how unstable those royalty trusts were, and how little the proofs and toys had increased in value. The gold coins he held were worth a lot more than the proofs and toys. That was his valuable lesson for me. Not what hucksters talk about but steady buying a la dollar cost averaging. Since he died 10 years ago the gold has outperformed my equities and bonds. It's not the best investment and it's not the worst investment, but it's easier than stock picking.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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but still up over time


exactly. that is one of the reasons I hold gold. when I got into it I understood it's the 'long game', buy and hold, prepare to hold on for a long time. I'm glad I did. nothing else has appreciated as well for me, except for maybe my own personal stock. in the nearly 20 years I've been 'in the long gold game', I've increased my knowledge of plants & trees (as it pertains to landscaping), which has been moderately beneficial. over time I've adjusted to a 'minimalist'-sort of lifestyle, which has also been beneficial as I'm able to tolerate going without certain creature comforts for extended periods, or even permanently. I recall during the covid lockdowns* a lot of people were not adjusting well to doing without certain things, I heard about it frequently, but it didn't bother me because i'd already adjusted to doing without. I have a decent stash of gold (and silver) backing me and that's great. I realize that not everyone has gold (or silver) backing them, so I consider myself very fortunate.


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it became painfully obvious that they were pumping silver no matter what and were sponsored by some of the larger online dealers. Not naming names of channels nor the sponsors, but watch a few videos and you will see a clear pattern. Doesn't stop me from making Ag/Au a part of my savings, but the constant hype is annoying.


yes. totally. the constant hype combined with their constantly being wrong with their outlooks, forecasts and predictions turned me away quickly. I too used to watch all that stuff many years ago, but I saw that pattern and quit watching.

i buy PMs for my own reasons and on my own schedule.


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I wouldn't want advice from anyone who needs to sell me their advice.


truly.

* I can go on at length about that subject because it is relevant, but maybe in a different thread somewhere, some other time.
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Long term the US dollar is loosing it's value, inflation, national debt, etc. Americans have the highest ever credit card debt, like 1.1 trillion dollars. We are paying more interest on the national dept than the entire military budget. The Federal deficit is going to cause major problems someday and politicians, news media and general public mostly ignore this elephant in the room. When interest on the national dept starts eating away at other expeditures what then, more taxes, what programs would they cut or eliminate?

It's difficult to trust government statements when their jobs report had to be revised downward 800K, when the CPI isn't accurate in my opinion. No matter the party in power, their press conferences will say everything is fine and any problems are the other party's fault.

I agree some YouTube channels use scare sky is falling tactics, claim that silver/gold will explode higher yesterday. But their basic arguments that the fiat system is getting worse, that the Fed just keeps printing money causing more long term debt and inflation, that banks precariously trade derivatives, shorts/options with nowhere near the assets to cover losses are very valid in my opinion. I stack PMs not because of the hype YouTubers say, but because I think they are correct about current and future economic dangers.

Even if the doom and gloom YouTubers are wrong, that nothing bad will happen soon, no economic collapse comes for generations, I'm still happy with my silver/gold, enjoy them. Silver/gold are a percentage of my overall finances. Long term my silver/gold have appreciated substantially in value.
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It seems unusual that the price of gold has continued to rise despite Fed interest rate increases to control inflation. The rate of CPI increase has been reduced, but for who knows what reason the gold price has continued to increase steeply.

The gold standard has gotten a lot of press lately. I think it's impossible unless every country does it. The lack of participation finished it off in the early 1970's. There just isn't enough gold in the world for a gold standard. Even without a gold standard, we're pushing the limit of availability.

Back in the 1990's the price of gold was flat. It wasn't that interesting to me except for coin collecting. It was a store of value but so were a house, a car and CD's. I didn't consider it an investment. If gold price ever flattens out again I'd expect a major selloff as speculators leave the market for better investments.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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