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Several Coins Bought Long Time Ago, Are They Genuine? Please Help.

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 Posted 12/12/2024  07:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NumiFan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone

I bought several coins about 25 years ago on the flee market and thought that lost them several years later. I found them some time ago so I'm trying to do some checkup.







This one looks like this 2 kopecks pattern, https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces182132.html however when I compare them my coin looks fishy....

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 Posted 12/12/2024  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not genuine.
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 Posted 12/12/2024  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces182132.html

This is the coin it's meant to be. Yours looks like a bad reproduction, the letters aren't good, nothing really looks good about it.
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 Posted 12/15/2024  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumiFan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought so, thank You

Next coins are also probably fakes, I did some check up but want to be sure.








This particular one doesn't look as fine as above.






These ones puzzle me a lot. They were also bought many years ago for a low price on a flee market. I remember buying them from a drunk who didn't now what they were but he had just wanted to get some change to buy another bottle. I have a dozen of these but post only a part of them.
Maybe they are kind of pilgrims' tokens, souvenirs....?









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 Posted 12/16/2024  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angelo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry looks like cast copies. The 1563 one might be real but I'm not the expert on that one
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 Posted 12/17/2024  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the Zygmunt II trojak looks good. Very nice example, value about 200 euro: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot...lot&sid=8547

The 1784 coin is OK, too. Not especially rare or valuable: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot...lot&sid=8569

I don't recognize the last few, and can't comment on their authenticity.
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 Posted 12/18/2024  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1784 EM 5 kopek is also suspect. The style is rather crude, even for the type, and there appear to be numerous casting marks.
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 Posted 12/19/2024  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought the shape of the E was a little funky but that most of the rest looked ok. But looking more closely, maybe you're right.
As for the surface, I just see corrosion/pitting, which is common...
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Agreed. That's why I have it as "suspect" and not "definite"
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 Posted 12/21/2024  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumiFan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had hope that at least 1784 is fine as it's shape is not ideal so I thought that it can be indication that it's genuine, also not the rare coin.

The Zygmunt II trojak was my biggest doubt as it looks really nice, too nice to be genuine I thought

It's not bad to get all of them for a dozen of bucks. If I can by some copies for really small price I do that in order to get more knowledge and experience so another pieces to my 'fakes' box

These last strange pieces doesn't look like coins I think. The grey ones seems to be made of hmmm something less solid than metal (I could do a scratch more easily), on the other hand they are pretty heavy, 22 grams + 27mm diemeter, 3mm thick. Maybe some kind of pilgrims' tokens or just a souvenir?
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 Posted 12/21/2024  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Zygmunt II trojak was my biggest doubt as it looks really nice, too nice to be genuine I thought


The price of a dozen bucks for all of them sounds very low to get an authentic trojak like this one. Even 25 years ago it would have cost much more:
https://wcn.pl/archive/2090?q=1563+trojak

The correct weight should be close to 3 grams (mine are 2.85 (1562), 2.99 (1563), 3.01 (1564)). Looking more closely, some small details like the beaded circle do not look quite correct (beads are too fat an irregular) ... maybe I was wrong on this one.
(you can always take it to one of the many good Polish auction houses for an opinion: https://coinstrail.com/auctions/poland )


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 Posted 12/27/2024  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumiFan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The trojak's weight is 2.93g and the diameter is 23mm. Although I'm not experienced in ping testing, the sound seems nice as it's not flat.

I understand Your doubts regarding the beaded circle. On the other hand I've checked some pictures in www and some of coins have some irregularities.

It seems that I will have to contact with one of these numistores directly to be sure.
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