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 Posted 02/16/2018  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Well, I didn't actually find a comparable example of the crest that is on your token with an exact date attached to it but if you go to the website for the club de la union you will see that their current building was built in 1925 and the gate crest, the building crest and the website crest has only one C and not two like your token. So, that's why I surmised that you're token is older than 1925 but that's just an educated guess.

I actually did come across one other European "mother of pearl" gambling jetton with a serial number. As seen below.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-token-...047675.l2557

The big piece of evidence that I came across is some nacre club de la union items that are obviously not trade tokens and are most likely gambling counters or jettons, which supports the theory that nacre club de la union gambling jettons were made. As seen below.

https://articulo.mercadolibre.cl/ML...la-union-_JM

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 Posted 02/16/2018  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nautilator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I do see a few more pearl casino chips with serial numbers on them. That might be a strong indication that it is a gambling token instead of a trade token. That'd be fairly disappointing conclusion, though I'd still be happy with it.
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 Posted 02/17/2018  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Even though it probably isn't a trade token. It is still a very cool and interesting item and you really can't go wrong for the prices that you paid for those (I found them while looking at ebay's completed items). Also, if you look at the concept that based on the wear on the token it was probably in use for a while and was most likely given as a tip/gratuity to one or more of the staff at least a handful of times over to course of its life as a jetton. So, in that sense it probably did see at least some limited circulation.
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 Posted 02/17/2018  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nautilator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still pretty happy with it even if it is (probably) a gambling token. People seem to want quite a bit for the South American pearl chips and this one is more money-like than most. I also saw a few out there that I'd now call nacre-like plastic rather than actual nacre, which is good to know. I'll be watching out for these and hope I can find something that might really fit the bill here.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a new one, I have been looking for one of these for quite a while now but they rarely come up for sale and when they do they are usually a bit outside my price range. I don't have it in hand yet just won it at auction on Friday but I'm excited.

It's a 1574 Siege of Leyden Paper 5 Stuivers from the Netherlands. These were literally struck out of multiple pages of church missals/hymnals when all metals ran out during the siege. So, it is actually made out of religious texts/books.

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Now that is really cool. And it appears to be in really good shape too. Nice find.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
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 Posted 02/18/2018  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@chafemasterj

Thanks! Yeah, it's one of the nicer ones that I have seen that's not in a museum collection.
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Wow. Can I inquire on source and price? A quick look and I guess it's a high X00 price... I doubt I'll be buying one of these any time soon but still.
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Wow @casualcoincollector! That is really cool!
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 Posted 02/19/2018  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bd251,

Thanks!

@nautilator,

Thanks!

I actually came across the auction earlier this week by accident while researching your nacre token. I won it from an auction house in Massachusetts called Skinner Inc. I have never dealt with them before but a friend of mine said that they are a respected antiques and furniture auction house that has been around for about 40 years but it seems that they started branching into coins relatively recently.

The hammer price was pretty good at $425 but when I add in the 23% buyers' premium and shipping I will probably be closer to $575 and then I contacted PCGS to see if I could get them to agree to accept the coin for certification and if they agree that will run about a hundred bucks (I got them to agree to certify my coal Notgeld coins and I know that they do certify the 1915 Mexico Cardboard revolutionary 5 Centavos. So, there's a good chance that they will be willing to certify this too). All in, it will probably end up costing me about $675 to $700. So, not a cheap item by any means and definitely one of my more expensive coin purchases but a great price for what it is. I've seen lower quality examples sell for a bit more.

It seems to me that the reason that I got such a good hammer price is that the auction house seems to be stuck in the past. In that they do online auctions but they won't take payments over the internet. Just wire transfer, personal check or money order and the kicker is that they do 3rd party shipping. Meaning that I have to find and contact from a list of their approved shippers a shipping company that will ship the item to me and remotely arrange all of shipping myself (I'm learning how to do that on the fly). So, it's definitely kind of a hassle on the back end of the transaction but I feel like it's worth it for this particular item. In the end you have an antiques and furniture auction house that is trying to branch out into coin auctions that charges a significantly above average buyers' premium (23 percent is pretty high for the coin auction industry) but isn't even willing to ship the items themselves. With that being said, I'm not particularly sure how much longer they will be doing coin auctions unless they are willing to adapt.
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Yeah, that's what it seemed like, as one of the first things that came up in searching was one in worse shape that sold for about $500. I'm highly impressed and now hope to acquire one in due time. I've done a little bit of inquiring at online auction houses -- may have to look into that more seriously.
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Not a coin, but a currency. This is an Estonian 2 ruble notgeld issued in 1818 and is made of leather. I got a guidebook with it as apparently there were quite a few in the same vein as this.


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Not a coin, but a currency. This is an Estonian 2 ruble notgeld issued in 1818 and is made of leather. I got a guidebook with it as apparently there were quite a few in the same vein as this.
Very nice!
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 Posted 03/18/2018  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add casualcoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@nautilator,

That leather Notgeld note is awesome! Out of curiosity does the leather seem dry and brittle in hand or like normal leather (still somewhat soft)? Just curious since 1818 is pretty old for a leather item and I'm just wondering how well something like that would hold up.
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This has been a fantastic thread to read and follow... some of the examples posted are wonderful.

I have several exonumia tokens struck by mining companies on all kinds of cool and wild metals, but they don't have a face value, so probably would be exempt from such collections...

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