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I have been chasing the Carthage for almost 15 years and have caught many a' horse. In the wake of the Carthage monster, recently acquired by TIF, I found that I have been slipping, and the prized stallions of time long ago, are becoming scarcer and scarcer. So I have TIF to thank for reminding me of what is important. Immediately I looked for a monster coin of my own, and realized that it is something that only comes around once in a blue moon. A complete and utter failure to acquire a piece such as this for my Punic type collection.

I have always known my place and accepted that I could never own Carthaginian silver. Silver is rare, rarer than gold by far. Silver coins are rarely found and when it is, it is minty and priced in the many thousands of dollars.

For the better part of my collecting career I have sought the rare and exceptional pieces of Carthage, I am not one for condition, I am one for type. Many of the Carthage coins are not works of art but rather a medium of exchange. They struck many a' coin many with the Tanit/Horse in various combinations, but was not limited to just that.

The reason for why the horse is positioned has and most likely will remain a mystery. I believe this horse reminds you to always look over your shoulder, and to not forget where you came from.

With a price I could afford and 8 people watching it , a coin I hunted for longer than all others was not slipping through my fingers.


An ancient Carthaginian silver shekel coin. Struck circa 264 - 241 B.C. at the Zeugitana mint.
The obverse with the head of Tanit facing left.
The reverse with horse standing right, head turned left, palm tree behind.
Diameter: 21 mm.
Weight: 6.90 g.
Provenance:
Ex. Collection of Professor J.E.Seaver. Professor Seaver taught ancient history at the University of Kansas and was a keen opera lover, hosting his own radio show on the subject for nearly 60 years. He was a passionate collector of ancient coins and often used them to aid his teaching.


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 Posted 08/28/2013  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome Coin Anoob!

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Thanks WC!
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 Posted 08/28/2013  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the first Carthage coin that I've seen other than in books. Great find and beautiful coin.
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Sweet carthage coin! That monster sure was something. I'm sure theres more out there in dusty boxes in cramped attics waiting for someone who doesn't know any better to list them at $3 + shipping Buy-it-now.

I only have one carthage coin and its pretty mushed up. Perhaps you know something about it, I don't even know which way the horsey is facing.

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Ben- Your coin isn't from Carthage, but another interesting place. What you have there is a Himiltron from Syracuse on the Island of Sicily. It dates to the reign of the Tyrant Herion II. The obverse is the left facing bust of Persephone (Tanit) he reverse is a bull charging and above it is the club of Hercules. Echizento has a nice one maybe he will post it for you.
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 Posted 08/28/2013  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a nice coin Ancient, amazing!
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Congratulations! Awesome find
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 Posted 08/28/2013  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I am glad some are as excited about this as I am!....

If I were rich the coin would look something like this...

http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=87829
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that's a dang cool shekle....carthage is another slot that is empty in my collection.

neat reverse, not you usual horse posture.
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 Posted 08/28/2013  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't have to be like that Chris.
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Echizento, I thought you had seen this one of mine:

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Ah WC - you surprise me always. You of all people should know your coin is from Punic Sicily and Carthaginian in nature but not manufactured in North Africa. It's not REALLY from Carthage.
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 Posted 08/28/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I did see that one. Or I'm having a senior moment and just don't remember it.
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 Posted 08/29/2013  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anoob, you of all people should know that the current scholarly opinion is mixed on whether they were minted in Sicily or Carthage...


@Ski
I just looked it up..

You posted on the thread, so you have seen it..
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WC - nah man. There is no debate weather it was minted in Sicily or Africa. The style is clearly Sicily. You will be very hard pressed to find someone to say it was minted in Africa since there are next to none found in Africa. Carthage mints are bulked together to make it easy for people to follow. Sicily, Iberia and Africa clearly have different styles. Modern scholarship separates the mints by style and with little archaeological evidence, it does not lump them together as you thought.Sellers of ancient coins tend to lump all Siculo-Punic and Italic coins into "Zeugitana Carthage" or Siculo-Punic. Of which any expert you ask will agree. Not that I have ever met a "Carthage" expert.You will being to recognize stylistic difference in time. I am surprised you would challenge me on the subject seeing as though you ask my opinion when buying the coin! You are entitled to believe what you like, whether you agree or disagree that is your prerogative.
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