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My First Ancient Coin: What Should I Get?

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 Posted 02/24/2025  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add floyd5175 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure if anyone is still checking this thread out, but in any event, I just wanted to give an update on my first ancient coin purchases.

On a Heritage auction I bought an Alexander/Zeus, lifetime-early posthumous. The auction experience was stressful but fun!

I'm still looking for an Athena Owl and a Caesar Elephant. I've decided to stay away from purchasing a coin from a European dealer/auctioneer. Not because I'm concerned about fakes, but because there are so many purchasing variables. So I'm sticking with US auctions and US retail sites.
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 Posted 02/24/2025  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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On a Heritage auction I bought an Alexander/Zeus, lifetime-early posthumous.


Be sure to start a new thread featuring this coin once you have it in hand!
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 Posted 02/25/2025  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add floyd5175 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you guys don't laugh and roll your eyes when you see it!
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 Posted 02/25/2025  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add floyd5175 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Worth $950 shipping included? Seller is trusted.

The info provided:
Kroll 8 (what does this mean?); SNG Copenhagen 31; Dewing 1591-8. 16.94 g, 26mm, 10h. Extremely Fine.

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 Posted 02/26/2025  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only have 2 ancients and I got mine locally. I don't know enough about these to purchase not graded so I can't comment, I don't know if its even real.
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 Posted 02/26/2025  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say it's worth the money floyd5175. Nice well centered example. As you know by now, you can get ugly ones for less.
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@flo, I believe that this is the Kroll reference (not one that I typically use though):

The Athenian Agora, Volume XXVI, The Greek Coins by John H. Kroll (1993)

Here is a link to a *.pdf of it:
https://www.ascsa.edu.gr/uploads/me...ora_XXVI.pdf
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Here is a link to a *.pdf of it:
https://www.ascsa.edu.gr/uploads/me...ora_XXVI.pdf


Thanks, Spence!
Looks like I've got some weekend reading ahead of me!
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floyd5175 I would say no. Half of that ask price would be a bit expensive for me. And to call it extremely fine is misleading. The owls are high relief. That one looks very soft and it is not from a weak strike.
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I only have 2 ancients and I got mine locally. I don't know enough about these to purchase not graded so I can't comment, I don't know if its even real.


I only have three Greeks. After the first (Larissa drachm), I bought a well-made fake of it to try to better understand the differences. I still don't think I'd be able to tell real versus fake of a series I don't know very well (reference books, hundreds of auction references) if they both passed the ring test.

My other two are Messana hares. With extensive auction records & an expensive primary reference, it's easier to get a "feel" for the stylistic differences and what real ones looks like.

The sheer volume of fakes amongst ancients is a big reason I don't pursue them.

I don't know of any good advice for people with a potential interest in the field other than to assemble a black cabinet & extensive library.
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Okay... another broad, blanket, umbrella question:
If a coin is slabbed by NGC, what are the chances it's fake? 0%? 10%? 25%? 50%?

Okay, two questions:
Have the NGC slabs themselves been faked?
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