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1920 Fat Man Dollar PMD Or Otherwise?

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 Posted 02/20/2025  09:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coins Mania to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
PMD or otherwise? Quite difficult to tell from an untrained eyes
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 Posted 02/20/2025  09:48 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, looks like PMD on the rim, and harshly cleaned.
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Damage yes, but any thoughts as to whether this is a rough test cut to assess the silver content?
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any thoughts as to whether this is a rough test cut to assess the silver content?
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I think it looks like a cast fake.
When or what cause the damage who can say?
I deliberately damaged some of my cast fakes just to expose the insides.
Maybe wrong, been there before.I have my doubts.
This piece should be 39mm, .890silver, 2 1/2 mm thick and weighs 27grams
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Does the Sigma have setting to identify foreign silver coins?
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@mac, for my Sigma (which looks similar to the OP's), the silver settings are: 99.99%, 99.9%, 92.5 % Sterling, 90% US pre-1900, 90% US pre-1945, 90% coin 1960, 96% Britannia, and 80% Canadian.
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It's damage.
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I'd like to see a crystal clear close-up of these marks if the OP can provide them.
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@Albert

Here are the closed up images, as best as I am able to take.




I apologise I followed up with lengthy thread and more photos as well.
Here the Reverse:


Looks like gas occlude across the diameter?

View from the other side



Otherwise the ping test is either Great or Good (I use Morgan which is free because I am not a subscriber). I am not sure a Silver Cast would give the same frequency as it is a function of density and more importantly Modulus of Elasticity.


Diameter 38.7mm, thickness measured at raised Rim is 2.4mm and thickness measured at background field is 2.2mm.


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For the most part, classic USA silver is 90% silver with the other 10% being copper.
Specific gravity can support that.
The coin in the OP could have a mix of quite a few metals (maybe as much as 11).
If silver, as the gadget shows, my doubts remain.
Take the reading on the gadget.
Then see if specific gravity is 10.31
I appreciate the close-ups of those odd marks.
I snapped a bunch of those when making this binder:

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@ Albert

Is the binder available for public?

Thanks
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No but I could post some photos.
Some critics would say I am tipping them off as to what avoid to improve their fakes.
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PMD on a counterfeit coin.
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Short story. I remembered my in laws acquired 2 of these Fat man dollars, when someone living in the same village decided to sell their family fortune, having good amount to sell and raise money for whatever causes of their own matter. My in law bought these for 100 yuan a piece back in the mid-90's, about $15 US dollars each with current exchange rate, not knowing if these were genuine or not, it later came into my possession once they knew I collected coins, and I had these 2 coins today still reside some place in my albums.

This post had raise my curiosity when reading Albert comments, if the possibility of genuine Fat man dollar had used various alloys mixed in when many of these were strike, beside the silver content, the lack of quality control back then would be questionable.
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