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A Few 1730's/1753's Spanish Cob's Going In For Grade!

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I haven't posted anything for a while so I thought I would share our last NGC Submission. We pre: sent 4 pieces in as a test and we received 2 back graded UNC and 2 back graded AU. So, we just sent in 316 others with the vast majority looking like they will grade UNC.



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You sent 316 coins for grading?
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Yes, I did! 216 of them are in grading/encapsulation and the other 100 are in the pipeline. I think we will end up with about 80% mint state grades and 20% AU grades. All 316 have full dates and mint marks with 5 of them being mint mark over different mint mark types.
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Striking! (no pun intended).

I'm not at all on top of this part of numismatics ... was this a published hoard?
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Great. I will be waiting for an update.
But as NGC evaluates such coins, it does not look like the usual round metal money. These Spanish 8 reals are not round at all. How do they know the year and the mint?
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That's a lot of cobs. They look cleaned, which is probably why they note "excavation". They don't look corroded like seawater cobs.

The date is very clear on the 1739, and shows as "739".
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That's a lot of cobs.


That is an understatement! I'm not sure that I've seen so many in one spot outside of a museum.
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Harlan Berk had a little boxful of 4R's at one time, but it was only 2-3 dozen.
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Are they all from Potosi and are they all from a single hoard that someone uncovered?
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I want one !!, or two. Buy or trade. Got an AU Mexico CJ 4R M-P burnin a hole in my pocket. What's with Bolivia, didn't the UNC.1754 8Rs come from there?
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Guessing the same origin as:

http://goccf.com/t/443186
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This group is part of the Sinclair hoard, and they have been stabilized after being in saltwater. The XRF scans show 96.2 to 96.4% silver from the original 90% when they were hammered. Saltwater leaches or corrodes the copper out of silver, and based on the percentages it puts them at about 260 to 240 years or so in saltwater.

As far as corrosion you have to keep in mind how deep the pieces were and how deep they were in the sand and other stuff on the ocean floor. The deeper coins are in the muck the less damage they take.

We own them all and the 1st group should ship out tomorrow. The date ranges are 1737 to 1753 with every mint and even a few errors. Grade range looks like about 70% or so will be UNC's. So, this group looks to be one of the finest groups recovered.
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Sinclair as in James?
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Lockland Sinclair
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