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Unusual! (at least to me).
More Swedish Livonia, 1642 solidus of the City of Riga.

Neat!

I've often considered a principality (or even reign) set of those neat 17th century feudal French coppers, but they're all at various levels of scarce; I have a bunch from Sedan and one or two from Dombes, but not Orange, I think. I wonder what the full list looks like.

(A check of 17th century feudal French coins on Numista provides the names Arches-Charleville, Boisbelle-Henrichemont, Chateau-Regnault, Dombes, Phalsbourg and Lixheim, Orange, Sedan; there is also a Comtat Venaissin type issued in the same style and to the same specifications but without an explicit corresponding denomination.
A further check for any leftover options outside France produced only one new name: Lowenstein-Wertheim-Rochefort; there is apparently also a very rare type from Scotland.)

Here is a full list of French feudal states that issued coppers - 1, 2 (doubles) or 3 deniers (liards) - during the 17th century (based on Crépin's books on French and feudal "Doubles et Deniers" and "Liards"):
- Sedan
- Bouillon
- Arches et Charleville
- Château-Regnault (sometimes spelled -Renaud)
- Cugnon
- Phalsbourg et Lixheim
- Boisbelle-Henrichemont
- Dombes
- Comtat-Venaissin/Avignon
- Orange
- Monaco

Some of these have rather brief issues, others long series.

On top of that, there are a number of feudalities that issued silver coins but no coppers (still looking only at the 17th century; some were French feudals on and off during the century):
- Verdun
- Lorraine
- Metz
- Strasbourg
- Montbéliard

There are probably more, if one digs into it

Now I'm out for a while. Back in 1621

Thanks for that research, @erafjel!

I'm not qualified to comment on other French feudal states in the 17th century, but here is what I know of Lorraine.

As you have said, silver coins were issued under authority of the Dukes of Lorraine until 1632.
In 1634, Lorraine (whose fealty was to the Holy Roman Emperor, rather than the king of France) was invaded by France.
From 1635-1638, Louis XIII minted at Stenay in the northwest corner of Lorraine, copper 2 deniers coins called "Double Lorrain." So, they were minted in Lorraine, and probably for circulation in Lorraine, but under French authority, and with the image of Louis XIII. I think in catalogs, these show up as French coins, rather than Lorraine coins (although deSaulcy lists them in his book on Lorraine coinage).

Certainly a "gray area" in this discussion ...

It depends ...

The 6th edition started 6 months after the 5th edition hit 1642.

So, unless the 6th edition makes an unexpected breakthrough, you are looking at no sooner than 182 days from now sometime in the first half of August.

Dutch, not Orange. Gelderland?

Here is a 2 Mariengroschen from the German State of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel dated 1641 AD:




I'll have a copper from Orange tomorrow.

Added:


Yep you are right Gelderland. In case you need it, here is the numista link:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40626.html

1640 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand III.