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Swamperbob:
Noticed that you have an interest in counterfeit coins. Did you happen to follow the German-20Mark thread? I still have not been able to determine origin of said coin. Hi wwhitman, I've kept an active eye out for more info regarding your 20M as well - thus far, no ruther info with the exception that I have possibly found a similiar case at berlin in 1932/33 - BUT that case has to do with Proben. Did you ever consider going the authentication path with Franquinet or Paproth or someone else?
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Pillar of the Community
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Zaggy - I had not noticed the inquiry about the 20 Mark forgery. I will have to check it out. There are a couple referencves to 20 Mark forgeries in some early work on counterfeits. I will try to locate those as well.
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For books that are hard to find, there are a couple alternatives, especially if they have been out of print for a while. If they have come into the public domain because their copyright has expired, they can sometimes be found on Internet Archive ( http://www.archive.org ) or Google Books ( http://books.google.com ). If they're in the public domain, they can usually be downloaded in PDF format for free. For those who prefer an actual book, there are a few business who will print the book after it's digitized. I found a bunch on Kirtas Books ( http://www.kirtasbooks.com ) and ordered a few to see what the quality was like. I think I ordered in the first couple weeks of November, and they showed up on Christmas Eve. Mine showed up hard bound, although I was expecting paperback.. but that's fine, as I'm very hard on books. They appear to be very well made.. sturdy, quality boards, good paper. Of course the content has been taken straight from the book and not re-formatted, so any typos in the original will follow along, but the pages are straight and the contrast is good. If anyone would like pictures let me know. One of the things you can do with this particular company is pay a fee to 'subsidize' the digitalization (is that a word?) of the book. They get some from the NY Public Library, some from Google, etc. If you choose to do that on the book you order, you get 5% of any future sales of that book. I'm not sure if the other companies do this. Anyway, as an example, one of the books in Swamperbob's list is Riddell's "Monograph of the Silver Dollar". Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=Yw...e&q=&f=falseKirtas Books: http://kirtasbooks.com/index.php?pa...art&Itemid=3This place probably digitized it themselves (it shows a copyright date of 9/15/2009), and they are charging $36: http://www.biggerbooks.com/bk_detai...781120226365Thought this might help others looking for books. If it's not available for printing or you just want to add to your library for free, you can see if it's on either of the free sites and download the PDF, then print parts or all of it yourself if you want a hard copy  Edited by xshift
12/26/2009 5:11 pm
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xshift Odd you mentioned that Riddell's Monograph has been reprinted. It has also been reprinted by Kessinger Publishing. I just spotted it on Amazon.com. I ordered a copy a week ago and it arrived on Christmas eve. The price was only $16 but I wanted to see the quality of the book before commenting. The Kessinger is a copy made from an original book but the quality of the pictures of the coins is not as good as the 1969 Mexican reprint. Still it is a much better copy than nothing. I would be interesed in comparing the Kirtas rdition with the Kessinger reprint. It could be why there is a significant price difference.
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swamperbob & xshift - They reprinted Riddell's Work?! I never use emoticons, but...  |
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swamperbob - Riddell's reference was not one I had purchased, but I'm definitely thinking about it. Is your book hard cover or paperback?
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archraz -  .. it's difficult if not impossible to find some of these books, and all this digitizing and reprinting will do nothing but help! |
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xshift The Riddell reprint from Amazon is a paperback. Now that I know a second reprint exists -I will be looking for one as a comparison. I have also found that the University of Michigan reprint series is also reproducing some very rare early numismatic books. I just purchased Eckfeldt and DuBois book "New Varieties of Gold and Silver Coins, Counterfeit Coins, and Bullion; with Mint Values" originally published in 1851. It focuses mainly on gold but provides some data on the prevalence of silver forgeries as well. The authors are dismissive of the silver forgeries calling the eagles "awkward" and the Liberty heads "laughable", but they provide a clue to the existence of another book that provided details on ranges of weights and alloys of foreign silver. The book did provide one super fact - the US mint first noticed the production of mechanical transfer dies in 1847. Therefore, any forgery made with mechanically transferred dies dates to AFTER 1847. This has been one date that has to this point eluded me. The UofM series also includes some early works on metals and metallic alloys from the 19th century which provides access to the state of the art as it existed at given points in time. The history of metal refining and the creation of alloys allows dating of many counterfeits by isolating when certain metals either belong or do not belong as trace contaminants. I just discovered that a change in the process of refining gold and silver from the same ore occurred during the Hard Times and will give a "terminal" date for the existence of traces of gold in monetary silver bullion. After that date gold becomes less likely as a contaminant. The trace presence of arsenic also changes at the same time.
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Taiwan
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Bob,
You say you you use Babelfish for the Spanish translations. Do you have a copy of The Macuquina Code by Agustin Garcia-Barneche? You can buy it for about $8 at Jerry Walker over at vcoins.
Also, do you know what has happened to Mexican Coin Magic? It seems to be gone. It was a invaluable resource for Mexican coins.
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Taiwan
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djf1326invest,
It's true that Rose's Chopmarks is the only book that deals with the subject but there are also about ten years of newsletters from the Chopmark Collectors Club which are essential reading. You can buy them from Everett Jones in Chula Vista, CA [just Google his name] or you can read them on-line at the Chopmark Collectors Club website. You'll have to join over at chopmarks.org
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ColinG I will check the reference. Regarding Mexican Coin Magic I only wish I knew. I have written to the Texas ANA and the president is contacting the local coin clubs in the area of Port Isabel to try to find out. He did not know Ralph Paucher personally.
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Taiwan
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New Member
Taiwan
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Bob,
Is there any chance of getting a copy made of your Columnarios? The book is out of print so we're not cheating Gilboy out of royalties. I would gladly pay photocopy costs, shipping, and for your time.
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Pillar of the Community
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The book is out of print but still being sold by the estate of the author - it is also covered by US copyright laws and can not be photocopied. Sorry
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New Member
Taiwan
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Bob,
I understand. Do you know of anyway of contacting whoever is in charge of Gilboy's estate?
Also, have you ever thought of writing a book on fakes yourself? The hobby can't afford to lose your extensive knowledge.
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