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"For the first time in Krause Publications history, the cornerstone Standard Catalog of World Coins catalogs are now available in a more portable DVD format, allowing you to take them with you wherever your coin collecting takes you. This 3 DVD set includes 3 volumes of the respected series: 1801-1900, 1901-2000 and 2001-Present.Features of this electronic edition include: * Images that can be clearly enlarged up to 300% without distortion * Printable pages, allowing you to print only what you need to use when you are away from your computer * Using the country-by-page index, you are able to navigate directly to the country you are seeking to reference" To order click hereFirst forum member who purchases it and reviews it for us will receive a prize.
rggoodie
aka Richard
"catch em doing something right"
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Anyone have anything on Third Reich Coins? (Germany 1933 - 1945)?
I ask as I'm currently researching and writing a rather comprehensive paper on the subject; and the information on the ground is rather thin in some parts!
Thanks
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Zaggy - I'm sorry, but I am not aware of such a book in publication. The era is interesting but there is a collecting bias against Third Reich coins that I have run into many times that might work against the popularity of such works. I for one would welcome any additional information on the subject.
Are you looking at any particular part of the series?
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There is "The Standard Catalogue of German Coins" by Krause publications it cover all german coins , now you might get alittle bit of info but I am not sure how much
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There is of course Kurt Jaeger's Die deutschen Münzen seit 1871 (yes its in German), which seems to be one of the more definitive guides; I'm sourcing a copy ATM. I think its somewhere between Germany and Australia now, tho if anyone has a copy nearby and a scanner, let me know!.
The Krause World Coins is pretty useless beyond finding some images and the KM Numbers! I havent seen a copy yet of Krause Standard Catalogue of German Coins, so I don't know what its like... Anyone out ther have a copy? I would like to check it out.
Swamperbob: I'm looking at the entire process and series, from 1933 to 1945, including the Reichskreditkassen coins of 1940 and 1941 (Reichskreditkassenschiene) and Prototype/Proofs... There are also some side notes developing regarding the propagana and posters that featured Reichsmarks... Its pretty interesting and rewarding stuff when you start digging... for 4 months! hahahaha. I guess rewarding due to the sheer LACK of anything concrete out there.
As for the collecting bias, from what Ive found, yes and no... The American market for the stuff is huge! It seems anything with a swastika on it is in demand! The european market is more restrained, but there is a genuine resurgence of interest in Germany itself.
With my research, I havent had any hassle so far from anyone Ive spoken to or emailed (Academics, Dealers, Collectors)... Some ppl havent replied to emails, but there could be a variety of reasons for that!
Most of the really good info I've found as has been locked away in WW2 archives (in reports, directives and etc) and in Academic papers (been trawling Historical journal Databases for weeks!!)... Still need more, particularly Period Photographs - there is another request; looking for Image Galleries/Databases that deal with German Cities/Buildings/Industry (so I can track down images of the Mints!!. Ideally royalty free/public domain, but if not, I'm still keen!!
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Zaggy - I understand your interest in digging up new information. I am the same way regarding contemporary circulating counterfeit coins. The facts are usually out there someplace but finding them is the difficulty. I recall someone saying that much of Numismatic research involves the "re-discovery" of facts. What may have been common knowledge two gnerations ago has been effectively lost in archives and needs to be recovered for a new audience.
It certainly sounds like you are researching in a very interesting area.
From my experience in the US (especially the south) much of the interest in the Swastika is from the KKK and biker gangs and is in part based on a "White Supremisist" type motivation.
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Yes, here in Australia, lost of the local 'shop front' sellers sell a bit of Nazi-Zinc and Nazi-Silver to the same types... That said, a Dealer here that I've bought a little bit of stuff off (and is also putting out the feelers for me re:info) sells more than 90% of his stuff to continental US customers. He's selling stuff like Commemorative Schiller's and Luther's, Matched sets of high grade RM's... Obviously someone is buying them and theyre not the coins youre local Hells Angel or Grand Wizard buys, just to show off! It honestly amazed me how much interest he gets from the US!
Personally, I think a large portion of it is ppl who see the historical interest of the coins. I am discovering tho, its a unique sort of Niche; a sort of semi-closed world... A lot of very serious ppl who don't seem to advertise the fact they collect Third Reich coins as well...
But it takes all types!
Personally, I'm not a Nazi Right-wing nutter! I have a bald head only cos God decided I should go noticably bald at 19 and I decided to help it along its way! Hahaha. For me, the interest is in the history and the fact that it seems to be quite a neglected niche! :) The challenge makes it fun!
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rggoodie -
I recently purchased the new Krause DVD set. I had always had a couple of Krause books for general reference but since I was able to purchase the DVD set for a good price and because my latest edition was 1999, I thought I might as well spring for them.
Well, the set is DVD of course and identical to the books. I would guess that most may think that the books are a little easier to look up coins than the DVD's but if you save the complete set on your computer then it is also pretty easy to access when needed. The pictures are a little bit better than the books as far as you being able to enlarge them slightly without pixelation.
The set even at asking price is less expensive than buying 3 books together and if you like using your computer, have the need, and can purchase for less than retail then I would make the purchase.
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Thanks for a great review.
Perhaps I will one day purchase a set
I am one of those who prefer a computer search to a book search.
rggoodie
aka Richard
"catch em doing something right"
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Bob, I just turned up a copy of the Coronado book over on abebooks and ordered it. It looks to be interesting reading. I'm curious how well it covers the conterfeiting of the portraits - contemporary counterfeits only, or 100-200 years later as well.
By far the best reference on modern French coins is Le Franc, which is now in its 7th edition. It's a lot better than the old standby Gadoury, especially in describing the convoluted coinage of the post-revolutionary period.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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The Coronado book is the best reference out there. It purports to list the older circulating counterfeits BUT not all of the counterfeits listed are definitely contemporary. That is my opinion, but like any other specialty there are disagreements over which counterfeits are actually contemporary and which are not. There are a few that to me look clearly modern, but not having all of the suspects in my possession makes being sure difficult.
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The Coronado arrived. I wish it contained more pictures, but what is provided is interesting, especially the mint and monarch histories. The coins described are mostly obvious metal falsifications - copper, mercury, etc. Most of them appear to be contemporary. Coronado's knowledge does not seem to be very universal. I don't see much reference to foreign counterfeiting, other than the Birmingham silver. I've read elsewhere about the well-organized 1820's American counterfeiting of Spanish gold, but none of that is included here.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I think you have it about right. Coronado's examples are MOSTLY contemporary but not all are. And most of his examples are of SPANISH or European origins - essentially NONE from the US. That fact however, does have some value for trying to decide just which Portrait forgeries were of US origin. Essentially if it is NOT in Coronado it might be US.
Part of my study of the 8R counterfeits has been to try to determine which were most likely to be made in the US and which were imported into the US for use. So I make use of his book as one point in facvor of a possible US origin. But since I doubt we will ever know with 100% certainty where each counterfeit was made - it does help to pair the numbers down a bit.
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I think you have it about right. Coronado's examples are MOSTLY contemporary but not all are. And most of his examples are of SPANISH or European origins - essentially NONE from the US. That fact however, does have some value for trying to decide just which Portrait forgeries were of US origin. Essentially if it is NOT in Coronado it might be US.
Part of my study of the 8R counterfeits has been to try to determine which were most likely to be made in the US and which were imported into the US for use. So I make use of his book as one point in facvor of a possible US origin. But since I doubt we will ever know with 100% certainty where each counterfeit was made - it does help to pair the numbers down a bit.
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Hey Swamperbob, I'm looking for a reference and hope you've got it. I've got some Spanish copper Maravedi cobs from the 1600s (I think). My 1601-1700 Krause has almost no pics. I think I have a 2, 3, and 4 maravedis, and a few more that I need some pics to even begin to get an idea what they are.
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