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Australian 5 Cent Die Changes And Coin Varieties

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 Posted 03/18/2018  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't keep stats, no.
I have found them all pretty easy to get except for the 87, and now, possibly the 2016 (50 years), 2017 and 2018. And possibly the '85.
I tend to collect 7 of each variety unless they are MSO. How about you?
I am sure that the mint will wear out the small SD reverse die before too long, if not already and we will have to wait / hunt for the next variety. Have you been collecting the 'Fine SD' that Brissyboy has documented? Interestingly that variety was not mentioned in the C&B article. If you have I would be interested in swapping notes on the years that they occur in. Personally, I think it's a valid variety.
I am turning some of my attention to the 10c varieties which I have only just started to inform myself about. Do you collect those? If so, maybe we should start a new thread about them, compile a list etc.
Hans
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 Posted 03/19/2018  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at some 2017 5 cents. Appears to me to have 2 varieties described earlier in this thread as the tiny SD and the tiny 'Fine" SD.

Your thoughts?
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 Posted 03/20/2018  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I generally just keep one of each year.
Possibly the small SD coins will carry on in proofs for a bit longer yet - I don't think the proof dies get anywhere near as much use. We'll see anyway.
I have seen mention of the fine SD type - I think I may have looked for them a few years ago but decided it was just some sort of doubling or die fill rather than a design change (I suspect that's what the author of the Coin and Banknote Magazine thinks too but I don't know). I think the SD on 20c pieces as least is subject to doubling/die fill as well.

I do collect 10c varieties too - much simpler than the 5c thankfully, though possibly that changed in 2016.
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 Posted 03/20/2018  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think (but am not certain) that the 'fine SD' is a variety because it appears that the spines either side are also further apart. I think Brissyboy mentioned this, and I agree. So it follows that it isn't just a filled die, but a different die. This is what I would call a variety. I must admit though that I haven't taken measurements of the space between the spines either side of the SD. They certainly appear to be further spaced.
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 Posted 03/22/2018  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to look out for some examples - what year for you seems to have the closest to a 50-50 split?
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 Posted 03/26/2018  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have what Brissyboy would call the 'Fine SD' in 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and more recently 2017. I will re-check my 1999, 2001, and 2003 to see if They occur in those years. None of the years come close to a 50-50 split, but possibly 1:20-50 might be around the mark. I have a min of 100 in each year, if you're interested I will do a survey of what I have. Let me know.
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 Posted 03/29/2018  06:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which year is it most common? I'd like to try and find a few myself to get a better opinion.
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 Posted 03/31/2018  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, I still get to lurk in here from time to time. It is great that you continue to be interested in the humble 5 cents and find new varieties. Keep up the great work. Wayne
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 Posted 04/03/2018  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Brissyboy, your input is also more than welcome....what is your opinion about the 'Fine SD'? A true variety or possibly a filled die?
Interesting that, although in the 2017 pic I posted above, it looks as if the spines are further apart in the fine SD, but when I drew some lines between them they are the same length as each other.They just appear to be further spaced because the lettering is finer.
Mr T, not sure which year the Fine SD is most common. I will take a look at some of mine to see in which year I find the most of of them in. I have collected 100-150 of each year from circulation for this kind of exercise.
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 Posted 04/13/2018  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still haven't got some fresh 5c pieces to look at but my 2c on the matter was that given the fine SD appears in small numbers for only some years it's probably not a deliberate design change - otherwise the old design would have been phased out sooner or later and it would have won? Even the small/large SD split from 1991 to 1994 had the large SD ahead in 1991 at least.
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 Posted 06/23/2018  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, anyone had an luck with low echidna 2016 changeover, 2017 or 2018 5c pieces?
I haven't seen a huge amount of 2016 changeover or 2017 5c pieces but they're all high echinda so far, and I still haven't seen any 2018 5c pieces though I imagine there must be a few around after the RAM road-shows in Victoria and New South Wales.
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 Posted 06/23/2018  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, anyone had an luck with low echidna 2016 changeover, 2017 or 2018 5c pieces?

No low echidna found by me.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None sighted by me either.
Hans
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 Posted 07/10/2018  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't you all mean small SD or tiny SD in the above few posts? low and high echidna refer to issues from 1972 to 1987 inclusive.
I've seen small SD on (normal) 2016 5c from sets but not from circulation. The circulation all appear to be tiny SD.
The 50 years 2016 all appear to be tiny SD; set and circulation.
All 2017 and 2018 coins I've seen are tiny SD
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 Posted 07/11/2018  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hans g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Agent86, I think you are correct however the tiny SD also has the spines nearly touching the rim whilst in the small SD the spines are further from the rim appearing to be lower. This is what I took Mr T as meaning.
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