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Mexico 8R 1743 Columnaria

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 Posted 01/01/2025  8:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fireandice556 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Mexico 8 Reales Mo 1743 MF

- Observations:

I'm seeing a few red flags on the (obverse) shield side, such as the incomplete 'dot' after PHILIP and the remnants on some of the letters (red)
- I'm not seeing dentil details, maybe from wear, but it seems that overall the details are still strong.
- I'm not comfortable with the 'PLUS' 'ULTRA' being so clear.





Sorry no rim was shared by the FB poster as well as the weight.

I would like to improve my observation knowledge and continue my education on these type of coins.

Please share your comments. Thanks and Happy New Year.

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 Posted 01/06/2025  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. Hopefully some more knowledgeable people will comment soon.
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Where is the weight? Are returns accepted? The coin looks like aluminum.
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 Posted 01/06/2025  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a tricky call from those semi-odd photos. Surfaces/coloring definitely look strange in the pics but I'm not sure if it's just blatantly obvious white metal OR or this there's some combination of a weird cleaning/dip plus odd lighting/photo editing for the pics. That could be why PLUS VLTR is jumping out so much (residue left behind in the protected, recessed lettering).

So, eh, idk... slight off-center, edge/denticles not "neatly" struck, slightly unevenly thick planchet in spots... all quite normal for early 1740s Mexico. Slight repunching of letters occurs frequently on genuine pieces. Detail, strike look appropriate also, and even the bit we can see of the edge design looks proper - but the surfaces are just odd.

If I had to say, it's probably genuine (cleaned)... but would definitely not bet my life on it from those pics.


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I would like to improve my observation knowledge and continue my education on these type of coins.

The best thing to do is look through archives of known genuine pieces - including the large amount of shipwreck pieces of these years (e.g. lots of Reijgersdaal wreck pieces from right around 1743, usually really well-preserved). Some/much of your observations/red flags are not really so if you're familiar with various eras of Mexico (or other mint) pillar 8R. The more genuine pieces you look at, the more this will make sense.
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The best thing to do is look through archives of known genuine pieces - including the large amount of shipwreck pieces of these years (e.g. lots of Reijgersdaal wreck pieces from right around 1743, usually really well-preserved). Some/much of your observations/red flags are not really so if you're familiar with various eras of Mexico (or other mint) pillar 8R. The more genuine pieces you look at, the more this will make sense.


Thanks @realeswatcher. I'm been getting used to how SwamperBob pointed out the weak points of specimens, that I forgot to learn on what the genuine should look like. Back to basics that is.

I understand that there were so many dies and die-pairs during the minting period of the Columnarias -- so I think I should look more on confirmed authentic items. And I should try to compartmentalize each year, since there are some nuances for some of the years.

This is why this series is quite a challenge and interesting.
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