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The Curious Case Of The Clipped Coin Field

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 Posted 10/29/2021  1:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ironhorse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey hey diggers!

Today's adventure involves a little field on the edge of a river with some very perplexing finds in it. This area came to light about twenty years ago; two detecting friends discovered this place one day and made some strange (to them) discoveries. It seemed typical of a place that had an old cabin many years before. They found things usually found at these type of sites... buttons,brass bits, lead and bullets, coins and general bits of metal. One thing about a bunch the finds were coins cut in half, quarters, edge clips; they stood out because you rarely found coins cut up in that abundance anywhere else. I've since detected there myself a couple of times and found exactly the same.

So twenty years later and the real estate boom is on..especially river front fields...the next door property is cleared and set up for cottage lot sales . And, being adjacent to such an interesting site I decided to try the new space with my detector and see what could pop up.

Being so close to the other site the finds were practically the same as the next door field. Frag ments of mutilated coppers a lot of edge clips. Most seemingly 1800s English pennies and penny tokens and early Canadian tokens. Some are identifiable and many are not. The odd ball pieces appear to be pieces of copper coins shaped into a half pipe shape for what reason I can't even guess.

I found only one whole coin in the bunch an early half penny token (Breton 955- Ch# PE 9A) the rest were barely recognizable but I did identify a chunk of a 1805/6 penny and couple of pieces of copper stivers of 1838.

Truly one of the head scratchers of all time...until next love your coins...because there are those out there who dont! lol



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 Posted 10/29/2021  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Poor coins...
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 Posted 11/22/2021  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real mystery is what the square curled pieces were for. Suspect the clipped edges were a byproduct of getting a square piece. Possibly trying to repair a piece of equipment? Interesting finds but also annoying to see the coins and tokens mutilated. I once found a DIY gun silencer made from copper pipe and pennies with holes in them.
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 Posted 10/29/2023  11:23 am  Show Profile   Check mrwiskers's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add mrwiskers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clipped coins are a part of our monetary history (as well as part of other cultures) ... In medieval times, Henry III's silver pennies were designed (on the cross side) so that one could easily halve or quarter the coin for change (see 1st attached pic) ... Spanish silver cobs were often cut to make change (see my icon...) ... many peoples of various periods, cut their coins, as coins were often scarce in any given area ... to this day, cut coins are often discovered on colonial sites in North America (see 2nd attached pic) ... I find them interesting & historically significant ...


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The coins mrwiskers refers to were large coins, cut up to make smaller coins - literally "making small change", but still keeping their monetary function.

The coins in the OP were cut up for some other purpose. In this case, the copper coins and tokens were being treated as copper bullion, with the copper being repurposed for something else.

What that something else is a mystery to me, too. I'd agree with David Graham that the end-goal seems to have been those rounded half-tubes, with the edge clips being merely scrap metal by-products.

I suspect the folks doing this didn't have the technology to actually melt and fashion copper for themselves. Which seems odd, given that they've got the technology to slice a copper coin clean in half. The goal to me seems to have been making a pipe or channel of some kind - which would have been quite a laborious process, to make a long pipe out of little coin-sized bits of copper. Surely it would have been easier to import some copper tubing instead? Unless the coin pieces were intended to repair damage to a copper pipe - but again, wouldn't it be easier to replace a tube, than laboriously chop up a whole bunch of patches for it?

Very odd.
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David Graham & Sap ... about the curled coins:
...I've seen this phenomena over the decades, bent coins from various cultures, from medieval Europe, Asia. as well as South & North America ... usually the coins were rather thin ... & this got me to 'thinking' (a highly overrated process... lol ... )
... thin coinage may have been difficult to locate in a pocket or bag, depending on the material used for said clothing / bag ... by bending the coin, this may have made it easier to locate in one's pocket / bag ...
...the Chinese cash coins I've posted here were collected from an older collection of misc. world coins I acquired years ago, & have always wondered: "why bend a coin?..."
...any thoughts on this idea ?...
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...well...I'd never thought of this, but ran across this item on ebay:
1885 & 1898 Spanish Silver Coins Made Into Tiny Ashtray

...putting curled coins to a good use (terrible habit) ... I guess cigarettes have been around longer than I thought ...



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ironhorse, I've been contemplating your "curious" finds for days now. These artifacts are quite perplexing. Someone spent much time trimming coins and then bending them, only to discard these half pipes for you and friends to find. Perhaps a historian / archaeologist / engineer at a local university or historical society could shed light on this mystery. Please keep us updated!
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