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Dalton, GA - Vehicle Burglary, Collectors Targeted By Theives

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Collectors Targeted After GNA Show-Vehicle Burglary
http://www.numismaticcrimes.org/?q=node/640


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Detectives with the Whitfield County Sheriff's Office are investigating a vehicle burglary that occurred immediately after the GNA show. Two collectors who were attendees at the GNA show left and stopped at a restaurant where their vehicle was burglarized.

Detectives believe the suspects, two black males, may have been in the parking lot of the show and waiting for the victims to leave.


For more info and list of items go to: http://www.numismaticcrimes.org/?q=node/640
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And a 60+ year old tradition continues.
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I attended that show, being one of the best in the region. Sad as it is to see fellow collectors victimized like this, at least no one was harmed. This MO seems to happen, again and again, at many a show. I'd not be surprised to see these perpetrators caught.
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Yea, people should know by now that this "stuff" happens...no matter where you are, safe as you may feel and seem to be, are you "Situationally Aware?". Parking lots, garages, even valet lots, be aware of what and WHO is around you, notice the oddities, may just save your life.
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It's not a good idea to stop at a restaurant to eat right after the show if you are a vendor. This happens way too often.
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It's not a good idea to stop at a restaurant to eat right after the show if you are a vendor. This happens way too often.


Good point. Two of my dealer friends got hit that way, over twenty years ago. One dealer and his wife actually had their vehicle in sight from the restaurant as the crooks entered from the rear. Two other dealers, traveling together, stopped at a McD's for maybe ten minutes or so, making a pit stop and getting take-out. Their vehicle, holding both their inventories, was gone.
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What precautions should pragmatic collector's take to make sure a GPS tracking device isn't placed on their vehicle?

These are scary times.
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What precautions should pragmatic collector's take to make sure a GPS tracking device isn't placed on their vehicle?


There are GPS jammers you can buy.

Though I'd think you would want GPS on your vehicle in case the whole thing was stolen. Your smart phone has GPS technology, of course, and many cars have OnStar and such, so there are always many people that know where your car is at all times (whether they care or not).

But more than likely these kinds of crimes are low tech and line-of-sight, and don't involve GPS.

Best bet is to never leave your vehicle until the goods are back in protection. Stop for gas but don't leave the car. Pack food ahead of time. Bring a partner/buddy if it's a long ride where bathroom breaks are needed. We hear too many times that the rightful owners were robbed while having dinner after leaving a show. Never, never leave your merchandise unattended.

If you do shows often, perhaps invest in a lock box welded to the frame of your car, kind of like a rolling safe. Dash cams are also a good idea.

Make it difficult and they'll likely move on to the next, easier target. Crooks will always pick the low-hanging fruit, unless you have something they REALLY want.
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Park at a gas station or restaurant at least three blocks away. Wear a baseball cap and sunglasses. Bring a change clothes. Pack them into an over the shoulder book bag. Take the back alley and find the closest store front or restaurant near the location. Ask to use the restroom. Change. Make sure the coast is clear. Fire a zip line into the adjacent building. Drop down from the roof. Make sure you wear gloves.
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I suspect it'd be easier to switch vehicles, rent-a-car, enroute!
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I'm getting sick of this "we went to a restaurant directly afterward and our car was broken into and our highly valuable collection/inventory was taken"
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You're sick of it? I've been reading those reports for almost 50 years now, and you can find similar reports going back a lot further in old numismatic periodicals. I can possibly feel sorry for a new collector that falls for something like this, but I no longer feel much sympathy for dealers that get robbed like this. They KNOW this happens all the time, yet still do the same thing.
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They KNOW this happens all the time, yet still do the same thing.


@conder: I agree. Makes me suspect that some might be staging these 'robberies' to collect on insurance policies.
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Makes me suspect that some might be staging these 'robberies' to collect on insurance policies.


While I agree that we can all take measures to lower the risk of being a victim of crime, I refuse to blame the victim. Many of the coin dealers I know are older guys who do but a handful of shows a year. These guys typically have no insurance, the cost of which is often prohibitive. Then too, insurance companies will rarely cover the actual loss. Also, consider that the great majority of coin dealers really enjoy what they're doing. Can't say I know one who would kill his wife to collect on her insurance policy, much less forfeit his inventory, his livelihood.

IMHO, pointing fingers at coin dealers, insinuating that victims may be crooks, themselves, is a grossly unfair stance to take. Who among us has not left his garage door open at some time or another?
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05/30/2017 08:01 am
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I'm not saying the dealers are complicit with the robberies just that know better and still engage in risky behavior, so I tend not to feel sorry for them. As for being an insurance scam, I'm sure many insurance companies policies have escape clauses for themselves if the loss was due to the policy holders negligence. And leaving their coins unattended when they know that smash and grabs of this type are well known/common place, could definitely be called negligance. SO there would be a good chance the insurance company would deny the claim.

Makes an insurance scam less likely. Not impossible, but less likely.
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05/30/2017 2:17 pm
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Another bad scenario, a quite common one for collectors of all kinds, is to be ripped off by family members. I saw this scenario constantly repeated over the years; this, given my work in criminal justice. Following the similar logic of being prepared to be victimized, collectors and dealers should take just what steps to safeguard their holdings from family? I pose this question tongue-in-cheek, mind you.

IMHO, it's simply wrong to blame victims or even point a finger in their direction. Sure, some common sense precautions, deterrents can be taken under different circumstances. Regardless, just what good is done by blaming any victim, suggesting he/she's complicit? Who among us is incapable of being victimized at some time or another?

Many years ago now, there was a pair of dealers I often bought coins from. Each had a shop and carried often visible sidearms. They traveled to the big shows in tandem, one watching the other's back. Good tactic I thought, given that they each had extensive inventory. Long story, short, they were returning home from a major show, ducked into a McD's for a quick pit stop (had aged bladders), came right out, and their vehicle was gone. The FBI did later recovered some of their material.

Of course, some would blame "them" it seems, for not staying with the vehicle. Now, the $64,000 question for those who would point the finger .... Just which of the two fellas is more culpable? Ultimately, I'll vote, neither. I see no logic in blaming either or both. In today's world, simply pulling up to a gas pump can be a life altering decision. Sadly, stuff happens!
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05/30/2017 5:40 pm
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