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Pillar of the Community
United States
1954 Posts |
As someone who has lived in the northeast all his life, I've always noticed that it takes a really long time for any "D" mint marks to appear in my change. And back when they still made "S" coins for circulation, it took even longer. Meanwhile, I'm always up to my ears in Philadelphia coins.
So my basic question is, how are coins from the different mints distributed? Seems based on my experience, that they are distributed more or less locally.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1116 Posts |
Travelers. Somebody in the distribution area for one mint travels to the distribution area for the other mint. Eventually enough people travel and bring their change with them enables you to get mintmarks from the other mint. Either that or the possibility that a FED bank that is serviced by one mint cannot get their needs furfilled in the short term requests coins from the other FED. The Jacksonville or Boston FED being so far from the Denver mint that they may need to be supplied by other FEDS. I personally believe that coins are miracle across the county by the power of positive thoughts. The less positive thoughts the less choices you have of coins. That's why the current ATB coins aren't circulating in my area. It either this or we don't get enough travelers to my area of the county. It's a toss up.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1954 Posts |
So Philly coins only get put into banks in the northeast and Denver coins only get put into banks in the midwest? There's no grand distribution plan that puts coins from both mints into banks all over the country?
If not, how do new coins make it to Alaska and Hawaii? Can't just be from travelers.
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Moderator
 Australia
16181 Posts |
In America, coins are authorized by Treasury and struck by the mint, but are distributed by the Federal Reserve system. So when a commercial bank in, say, Florida orders coin, it's the Federal Reserve that decides whether the coins that get shipped there are newly-minted coins from one of the Mints or old already-in-circulation coins from a stockpile elsewhere. As far as the banks are concerned, money is fungible; they don't care whether the coins they get are new coins or old coins. Needless to say, they seek the most economical means of distribution and each of the 12 Districts probably makes up its own mind on which Mint it can order coins from the cheapest. If it's cheaper to ship coins from Philadelphia to Florida, rather than from Denver, then it is Philly coins you will see there.
The whole point of having different branch mints scattered around the country is to reduce coin distribution costs. They'd rather shut down the Denver mint entirely than institute some grand and expensive scheme whereby newly minted Denver coins were just as likely to end up in Maine as in Colorado. It is only the crazy coin collectors who think that money isn't really fungible and some coins are more interesting than others, and only they that care about or would even notice such things as dates and mintmarks.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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If the mintmarks are only for the few collectors, then why bother with the cost of then anymore?
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Moderator
 Australia
16181 Posts |
As discussed in the old thread and the more recent thread on the subject, adding mintmarks adds very little to the cost of coinage production; the combination of tradition plus the extra hoarding of profitable coins caused by coin collectors seeking them has meant mintmarks have stayed. Of course, for loss-making coins like the 1 and 5 cent coins, the continued use of mintmarks does add to the overall cost of production. Tradition alone keeps the mintmarks on those.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
All coins are really made at only one place in the USA. It is a secret place so no one really knows where it is including the people that work there. They put those Mint marks on coins to fool people into thinking there are lots of Mints. This stops criminals from robbing a Mint since nothing really goes on there. This also keeps lots of people employed at places where they do nothing which is the norm for government workers. The reason you see some coins from one Mint more than others is due to the workers there not really knowing what to do with what they make.  
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4325 Posts |
Sap - "distributed by the Federal Reserve System" today has nothing to do with the 12 districts. It's all been outsourced. http://www.federalreserve.gov/payme...in_about.htmQuote: Coin The Federal Reserve's role in coin operations is more limited than its role in currency operations. As the issuing authority for coins, the United States Mint determines annual coin production. The Reserve Banks, however, influence the process by providing the Mint with monthly coin orders and a 12-month rolling coin-order forecast. The Mint transports the coin from its production facilities for circulating coin in Philadelphia and Denver to all of the Reserve Banks and the Reserve Banks' coin terminal locations.
The Reserve Banks distribute new and circulated coin to depository institutions to meet the public's demand. While the Reserve Banks store some coin in their vaults, they also contract with coin terminals to store, process, and distribute coin on behalf of the Federal Reserve. Armored carrier companies generally operate the coin terminals; the coin terminals have improved the efficiency of the coin-distribution system. So the mint sends 1 ton Ballistic Bags of coins to, say Loomis, who rolls them and boxes the rolls and distributes them to banks as requested. http://www.frbservices.org/operatio...cy/coin.html
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1954 Posts |
I read that one of the reasons they began adding the "P" mintmark to Philadelphia coins in 1980 was to make the workers there feel more pride about their product.
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Valued Member
United States
446 Posts |
Here in Arizona, if I get new coins in my change, they're all "D". Most of the coins I get are "D" and those "P" coins that I see are not frequently encountered. If I do see a "P", it's likely on a coin that took 30 years to find its way to my pocket from where it was minted.
When I've visited Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York;, they're mostly "P" coins.
I'd guess that the dividing line is the Mississippi River but that's only a guess.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2106 Posts |
Coins mix slowly now days becacause they have very low velocity. Even if a New Yorker flies into LA with a pocket full of coins he might not make any cash transactions or he might pay only with currency and no coin so they go right back to New York with him.
The speed at which they mix is related to the denomination. Larger coins still get mixed faster than little coins. Inthe '70's and early'80's many people still spent change and quarters could get pretty well mixed in only six or seven years. Now day it takes more like 12 years and the mixing is complicated by people plucking out the less common states mint marks. Of course here in the midwest complete mixing is much much faster than on the coasts. The FED changes which mint makes coins for us here in Chicago every several years but the other mint is always nearby so appears very soon and are completely mixed quite rapidly.
If we had $1 and $2 coins you'd see this mixing in about six years again. Maybe even a little faster with all the travel people do now days and long commutes.
A coin trades hands quite a few times before it will be seen far from its origin now so getting nice looking coins can be tough for many people on the coasts.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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New Member
United States
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Being in Washington state, I rarely see Philly coins. I always hoard them for future collections.
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Moderator
 United States
64151 Posts |
wow, this is a great conversation. 
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