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Decadrachm Of Syracuse Or Replica

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 Posted 02/18/2025  12:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Shera to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I'm new to this forum (and forums in general).

So, I am in possession of an ancient coin that I inherited from my father 33 years ago. According to my mother he found it while digging for a well. That was in north africa in the 1980-ies. In all those years, now and then I have been searching for information and could find none. I was searching for a roman or berber ancient Coin.

Today I discovered that it is Greek. I finally know what coin it is and I red a lot about it and so on ... but still have questions.

The syracuse decadrachm is silver and weight around 42 grams. I don't think mine is silver (it is not cleaned yet) and it only weights 18 gram. So, it is probably a replica wright (?).

But, my father assumingly doug it up ... So my question is : Is it for sure a replica? Does it has to be 42 grams? If so, how old can replica's be and what are they worth?

Any help would be grate. I am about to give it away as a gift, but first I really want to be sure of its value.

Thanks
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 Posted 02/18/2025  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF! It is not a Syracuse silver decadrachm, way too small. It looks bronze/copper to me. You could try cleaning it but I doubt there's any silver underneath.

It's possible but I'm not aware the ancient Greeks made the quadriga NIke and Arethusa with dolphins in small bronzes.

In Italy, Greece, Turkey, Egypt etc. when tourists visit they can buy modern replicas/fakes made to look ancient and modern made antiquities too, but they are not ancient. Your coin could be modern made for tourists. If it was an ancient decadrachm counterfeit it would have been made the correct size and look silver.

If it's a modern replica it's not really worth much.
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Thanks for the reply :-)

The size fits the description, it is 3,5cm. I agree, it does look bronse or copper. 18 grams is not much. Its really light

The found was in Algeria in a small village in the mountains. No tourist there (until even this day). But who knows where my father got it ... maybe he won it playing cards.
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Sorry I couldn't ID it for certain. Family stories can sometimes be wrong. My stepfather had a photo of Marilyn Monroe he gave me. He said his army buddy took it in Korea when she visited the troups in 1954. After my stepfather died I found out it was a photo actually taken by a newspaper photographer while she was in Mexico.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but absolutely, definitely, without a doubt, this is a "tourist replica" of a Syracuse decadrachm. They did not make these coins in brass. The very thin patina (the yellow brass is clearly showing through on Arethusa's face) proves that it is not ancient, as ancient brass has a very thick green or black layer. And the coin has an overall bubbly appearance indicating it was cast in a mould, rather than struck with dies like a coin.

You do not need a flood of tourists in a place for "tourist fakes" to proliferate there. For example, there were very few "tourists" going to Afghanistan during the War, but "tourist fakes" were abundant in the street markets of Kabul and an awful lot of foreign soldiers and workers assigned to Afghanistan brought such replicas home with them.

I cannot say how a tourist replica of a Syracuse decadrachm ended up in a well in Algeria; that is assuming your third-hand story of its origins is still accurate. I do know that a fairly standard scam, run by people throughout the Middle East for over a hundred years now, is to take visitors (tourists or groups of foreign workers) to some remote "ruin nobody else knows about", and when they arrive at the "ruin" there are just coins lying all over the place for the visitors to pick up. But the "ruin" is not ancient, and the coins were planted there, freshly made earlier that week and placed there by the villagers before the visitors arrived. If your Dad went on such an excursion while he was in Algeria to dig a well, then his story would still be true, from a certain point of view.
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