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1586 Polish/Lithuanian Stephan Batory Schilling

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Anyone know what this is?



STEPHA DG REX POL M D L (crowned S divides I D)
SOLIDVS REG POLON 1580 M

19mm, 0.9 grams

1580?
1586?

The only similar coin I can find has the date divided by the crown
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98559.html
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 Posted 09/23/2024  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's this but the picture is so small I can't be sure:

https://saurma.info/1/2794.htm
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 Posted 09/23/2024  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sounds like it's probably the type in your Numista link? If you click on "read more" you'll see a lot of pictures of examples with unsplit dates, though unfortunately none dated 1586.

EDIT: comparing the variants online, your coin is definitely 1586, Kopicki 482, with the NH monogram top of reverse near the date (Numista confusingly calls it NI). Compare this example from a Polish auction.
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Yep.

Polish schillings from Batory's reign are considerably less common than the later ones from Sigismund III. Too bad for the hole, but it's quite tiny, still an attractive coin the way I look at things.

If I recall correctly the initials ID are for Jan (Iohannes) Dulski, the crown treasurer, which makes the NH probably the initials of the Olkusz mintmaster (which I can look up later if anyone cares).

Numista can benefit from more photos for the Poland listings, where there is a thorough list of the Kopicki variants in the date table, but not enough info to identify a coin to each one. If you are a member, please post a Modification Request with your photo, and the Poland referee will add it.
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Quote:
your coin is definitely 1586, Kopicki 482, with the NH monogram top of reverse near the date


Great job january1may. That's it alright.


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please post a Modification Request with your photo, and the Poland referee will add it.


Thanks tdziemia, request sent to Numista
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The name "Bathory" was familiar to me from somewhere. Stephan's niece was accused of being a serial killer (and a vampire if you like Hammer Horror movies)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory
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Thanks for correction, @giedrius.

As you've pointed out, it is the Poznan mint (not Olkusz) that has no initials near the crown, so the correct type is this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces98569.html

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@Machin,
I just posted some hints on how to get this done over on your Numista post.
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...but this does have initials near the crown? It's the NH ligature, top of the reverse, aka the "M" at the end of reverse legend as described in the OP.

I'm fairly sure it's Olkusz. Compare this example: https://wcn.pl/archive/348540?q=sze...+1586+olkusz
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Yikes!
Yes, you were right all along j1m. Sorry! (and for creating excess confusion). ANd the NH is for Nicolaus Hevel(Hevelius) mintmaster at Olkusz.

Too many mints and variants for PLC coins ... and I should pay closer attention like you did

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 Posted 09/25/2024  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys,

1586 Olkusz Kopicki 482, with the NH monogram
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january1may (Numista confusingly calls it NI).

according to this, look what is in catalog:




The information was added according to Kopicki, but I can agree this time, it should be NH.
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