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Panama 25 Centesimos 1904 - Possible Fake

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Weighs 12.3g

2 Rim cuts, one with filings which appears to show silver all the way through. However, this cut shown below appears to reveal a different colored middle planchet. Overall, coin quality is very low with heavy scratches. Sorry for photo quality, I have yet tried to figure out a way to capture rim shots.



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Paul, can you post full pics of the obverse and reverse?
For rim shots, I put the coin on my desk and hold it upright with a pair of teflon forceps. My phone is on a solid support above it.
Note: that's a scale in the pic, as I only have 1 phone. And my nails are dirty because I just potted some plants and haven't done a deep-clean on them yet. The bruise is from roofing work this weekend.
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I will do some more pics later today for sure. I have to finish up grading so I can pay him. And my hands look the same....I too spend a great deal of time working with them.
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Ok, here it is front and back. I'm still trying to figure out way to snap photos.


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Use Earle42's method of taking pictures - 90% of the coin pics you see on the CCF are done this way.
http://goccf.com/t/422658
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I'm really frustrated with the photo process. I bought the little light as shown in Hondo's link, but had difficulty lining it up and snapping the pic. I used my 7x magnifier and phone held in hand. Cruddy, I know. Anyway, I highly suspect this to be a fake, so I will gift it to a young boy who is working hard to make a start in coins. I've tossed this one aside because I simply don't trust it. Anyway, sorry for the poor photos.
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... phone held in hand. Cruddy, I know.
True. You will never capture a decent coin photo without stabilizing the phone—for example, propping on books as in the example link—and using a timer setting or voice activation to snap the image. Yes, even the touching the button will cause the image to blur!
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Bigfoot photos aside...

A) An "old fake" (AKA contemporary counterfeit to the sophisticated collector) would be far more interesting than this relative common type in that almost bullion-level condition (if genuine).

From what I see, the central surfaces don't really look it... but would need a much clearer look. Not impossible, though.

B) If not, could just be an ex-jewelry piece...
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they look all distorted.


Based on the shadow, I would guess because they are taken at an angle and not straight on.

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Use Earle42's method of taking pictures - 90% of the coin pics you see on the CCF are done this way.
Most of mine are simpler than that...



Phone on some kind of box or stack (a cookie tin in this case, but I've done it successfully with a toilet paper roll), overhead lamp (just the usual ceiling lighting), coin in a spot that isn't occupied by the stack's shadow. You'd be surprised what autofocus can do these days.

EDIT: here's one with the toilet paper roll (and without the 2x2 muddling up the coin image quality).

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Here is mine to compare it to.



I am still working on my Panama 20th Century circulating coins set.
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