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1929 $2.50 Gold Quarter Eagle; Is This A MS63?

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Hello everyone,

I have a quarter eagle graded MS63 NGC however when I look at the fields especially the cheeks on the obverse and part of wings on the reverse, the fields are not shiny as the other areas.

Under a microscope these areas have no lustre on them. As well, the rim are not visible because of the old holder design.

When I scanned the barcode with the NGC app, the code does not scan. I am wondering if anyone knows whether or not the app is only applicable for newer slabs with different barcode format and different database.

The BLP initials are also not fully visible. The chin also a small nick.

I compared this coin to another one graded by NGC which is also MS63 and the initials BLP on it are visible as well the fields maintain the lustre throughout the area of the coin on the obverse and the reverse.

Is this a MS63 grade or would it be a cleaned coin that passed through as MS63? The lustre is only on the high points like the cheeks on the obverse.

What do you think?

The photos uploaded are only the obverse and reverse of the coin in question.
Thanks,
Vestedpocket






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10/11/2024 05:50 am
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Honestly I'd question it was even authentic before having concern with the grade. Not the best photos to evaluate from but the entire coin appears to lack any detail whatsoever. It is in the top 50 of most counterfeited US coins - in fact the $2.5 Indian compromises of over 20% of the top 50.

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 Posted 10/11/2024  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 1929, something about yours looks off. These are incuse, the design is pushed down, but in yours the design looks muddled. Can we get the NGC front picture?






Your coin is in an old fatty holder with bar code. Does the slab front look like this?


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Can't tell much from these pics.



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Even if the bar code does not scan, you can enter the digits manually. These pics are not clear enough to make any determination.
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We need clearer photos.
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Thank you all for your replies.

Here are additional photos. The initial photos are all scans. I find that the small diameter coins are harder to get a clear scan than the larger ones.
These newly attached photos are not scanned; they are camera shots.

The slab is an older slab probably the third or fourth generation.
I find it interesting that the rim doesn't show; did the old NGC holders fully enclose the coin as in this?

When I checked the coin under a microscope and compared the fonts and the patterns with another sample coin, I found the fonts and the patterns to be similar. The only key differences between the the sample and this coin are that the BLP initials is not clear on this as well the areas of the eye, the depressions of the cheek and some areas by the jaw are lack lustre not having the shine as the high points. I find it odd that the high point of the cheek has the lustre but the depressions seem to lack it. Usually it would be the opposite with the high relief areas more worn than the lower areas.

The slab does not scan with the app and I am wondering if it is because it is an older slab that this maybe the case. However when I enter the cert number, the right description shows up but the coin does not have a photos provided by NGC for comparison.

Also what is the black spot on the feathers? Dirt or something else?














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So the slab is a different coin, right?
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 Posted 10/11/2024  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, Coinfrog. That's the same coin. They both have that knick in front of the lips and that black spot in the middle of the headdress. The photos are much better now, but not great. That's a nice 62 you posted, Helder. That black spot is a carbon spot. I wouldn't take it out of that holder. In comparison to Helder's coin there appears to wear in the headdress on yours....so I'd leave it in that holder especially with a carbon spot. I'm not sure it would get the same grade now. Does anyone know if this date comes with a weak strike?
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10/12/2024 09:09 am
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Coin and holder looks legit to me, don't worry about the rim it's there only the white insert is hiding / hugging it.

MS-63, maybe graded on a Friday...nice coin for any collection.
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Much better pictures. The coin and slab look real. The slab appears on the NGC website (no photo).

I wouldn't say 63 though. Maybe AU/low MS with the carbon spot and minor wear. Still a nice coin.
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10/12/2024 08:06 am
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It looks genuine. To my limited experience with american coins. NGC even a couple years ago was very strict about cleaned coins. If yours was cleaned they would say it.
Looks nice. A little wear in the higher areas. And perhaps this type did not always have the feathers in the obverse all well struck? I have only seen a few already looking worn.
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You have so many different photos not sure which one you want graded.
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Thank you all for your replies.

I wonder if NGC would reholder it so I can have it in the newer holder with the QR code or if they may not accept the grade even though it was graded by NGC?

Does the carbon spot appear with time or would it have been there during grading? I noticed the black spot is actually like a heart shaped hole internal in the coin surface. I'd like to get a better photo and will try if the microscope can show it.

The coin that I am comparing this one to is not in the pictures above. I noticed on the coin that the feathers also were slightly rubbed out but not as highly as this one.

Would you suggest that I send it to NGC for reholdering?


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Carbon spots may appear over time. It may not have been there when it was graded. Those spots will affect grading. That's why I recommend not cracking it out. You can send it in...choosing a payment option if it doesn't get the same grade then don't crack it out ....but you'll still have to pay for that.. A coin is only guaranteed for the same grading level for a ten year period.....That holder is over ten years old therefore you can't just swap it out for a new NGC holder even if they accept the holder as genuine. The price level from a MS62 to a MS63 is a roughly $200 jump. I'd leave it in the MS-63 holder. If you have the coin regraded and it goes down one grade then you are out $200 in potential value plus the cost of having it graded. It's not worth taking the risk. I'd just enjoy the coin as is.
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