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Counterfeit Detection: 1796 Capped Bust Quarter Eagle Gold No Stars

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Jack Young - For the latest installment from the "Dark Corner", I will review a certified "fake" example of the scarce 1796 Gold $2.50 No Stars quarter eagle. With a reported mintage of just 963 and the only one of its type in the series, even a low-grade or damaged example is worth big bucks! And the reason I state "fake" versus counterfeit will be revealed in a bit.

As always, I'll start with images of the certified example:

Slab images (Certified and graded AG3 NO STARS - BENT CLEANED)

A dealer had this example come across their counter and was asking for opinions on it. My first reaction was What kind of a bird is that? Comparisons to a genuine example of a 1796 No Stars quarter eagle show more differences between the two to even count, but the date is a definite giveaway:


Obverse comparison to a genuine example on the right (image courtesy PCGS CoinFacts)

Date comparison (Subject coin on top)

More differences on the reverse including the rendition of an "eagle".


Reverse comparison to a genuine example on the right (image courtesy PCGS CoinFacts)

Internet searches for a possible second example turned up a probable match, a Gallery Mint version. An obverse comparison shows the same profile/expression and blocky date:


Obverse comparison to a Gallery Mint example (image courtesy Heritage Auctions)

The reverse of this potential second specimen appears to be a match as well, although the subject example has been worn down to likely hide some of the Gallery Mint details (can you say COPY?).


Reverse comparison to a Gallery Mint example (image courtesy Heritage Auctions)

This would not be the first time a legitimate copy was worn and or tooled to hide the mandated copy mark in an attempt to make an "authentic" low-grade example; there was actually a GMM "1793 Large Cent" that made it into a certified holder several years back.

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 Posted 09/12/2023  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So which service certified the fake?
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I'll see if I can get Jack to answer that.
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I don't think he reveals which TPG so they don't get too mad at him (especially PCGS, since they never make a mistake). Sometimes you can figure it out.
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Not a TPG I had (or have) any dealings with so no problem showing here:



I don't show the TPGs in my published articles...
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Thanks Jack.
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Thanks for posting the holder as my guess had been PCI. Met Landis (gallery mint) many years ago at a summer seminar and he is one heck of an engraver.
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This coin has been in a thread before, I believe it is called "How Dangerous are GMM's as Counterfeits" or something like that. Cool stuff.
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Yes, that was my thread as well...
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Interesting that a search on that TPG's site does not pull up a coin - assuming 202109 is serial. So they either yanked it or the actual holder is a fake as well.
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Holder is good; older cert does not show on the new NTC site.

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My instinct is that it's a "contemporary counterfeit". In other words, not a fake to fool collectors, but rather counterfeited around the time to pass off as $2.50 in commerce.
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It is a purposely worn Gallery Mint example.
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