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1798 USA Draped Bust Large Cent

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 Posted 03/16/2021  6:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sofia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello! Could you please advise if this USA cent is authentic? The diameter is 29mm. I bought together with other UK and International coins, mostly silver and old, nothing fake. Thank you in advance


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 Posted 03/16/2021  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No expert, but it sure looks good to me!
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 Posted 03/16/2021  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks genuine to me.
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 Posted 03/16/2021  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
does look real
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 Posted 03/16/2021  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And a nicely circulated specimen at that.
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 Posted 03/16/2021  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lunch Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From your post, it sounds like it was maybe part of a lot that you bought and simply came with something else that you had your eye on. If so, this is quite a nice coin to pick up unintentionally.
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 Posted 03/16/2021  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sofia, could you please also post the weight of this coin to the thread? Thx.
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 Posted 03/16/2021  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find. It looks genuine to me.

It is hair style 1, which likely was used for 1798-dated cents minted in 1798. (Some were minted in 1799, but dated 1798. Many people believe these coins had hair style 2.) I'll let the experts weigh in on the specific variety number for this one.

It looks to be in the F-12/F-15 range by modern grading standards, but likely would receive a details designation. The top left quadrant of the obverse shows some evidence of an altered surface, probably to eliminate graffiti. (That is a common issue for large cents of this era.) Overall, I could see PCGS coming in a F Details, with either a 94 code (altered surfaces) or 98 code (damage, for graffiti). Even with that designation, you did very well snagging this one.

EDIT: In looking at an enlarged and sharpened version of the obverse photo, there is one thing that makes me pause a little bit. In looking at the "8" in the date, there is more of a curl in the top loop than I remember. The distance between the "7" and "9" is a bit wider, too. This could be fine, or it could be an issue. Here are two photos, a cropped and enhanced version of your coin first, and a known 1798 first hair style coin second. Thoughts?

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 Posted 03/16/2021  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sofia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again and thank you all very much for your help. The weight is 10.8 grams.
And yes, I recently purchased a silver mainly UK lot from an Auction, and I was pleased to find a few USA coins in there too, including an USA 1858 half dollar, in a very good condition. All the best, Sofia
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 Posted 03/16/2021  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date position will vary depending on the Sheldon variety. I believe this one is S-153, and here's a comparison of the OP's coin on top, with a graded S-153 from Heritage below. The date matches up pretty well, and the OP's coin even has the beginnings of an obverse rim Cud at 5:00 that is present in later die states of that die marriage.

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 Posted 03/17/2021  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sofia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So interesting! Unfortunately I will sell it as I don't collect USA coins, but lately I keep finding them in the lots I buy. Thank you once again for your help.
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It is a S-153. Appears to be somewhere around die stage III with the crack through the point of the bust the die clash marks at the junction of the throat and bust and the bulge developing in the left field near the rim. What strikes me as odd is this variety is supposed to come, even in its earliest stage, with crack through the tops of all the inscription on the reverse. I can see it at the topes of UNIT and AMERI, but not the rest of the legend.

Still tentatively I would say it is real.
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 Posted 03/17/2021  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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