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 Posted 06/22/2022  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for checking it out Bob, appreciated.
I will speak with Stephen just in case he can throw some light on it and at least give me some alternative leads.

Thank you Jim, it is a sweet little coin imo and fits nicely into the area of this series I'm actually working on at the moment.

Paul
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Recent addition to the set....
Misattributed as a common Didda Rani type but straight away I knew this was Sussala. Picked it up for 4 bucks and worth well over 10X more!...I cleaned it slightly just to make the legend a bit clearer.
See before v after below and legend breakdown..
Ob...Ardochsho (Lakshmi) seated cross-legged facing in lalitasana (with right leg folded under and left leg hanging down), holding diadem in right hand and long-stemmed lotus in left hand, legend in Sharada script, at left: "Sri", at right: Su(ssala)
Rev..Highly stylized King standing facing, sacrificing at altar to the left, legend bottom right in Sharada script: de(va).
Date 1112-1120 CE


Ok...This is my 6th Sussala coin which got me looking into the four main reference books for these types, just to check out something I had inadvertently noticed....Regarding my previous post I'm now seeing 4 types of Sussala...

It is generally recognised that there were two types of coin for Sussala..."Sri Sussa / deva" & "Su ssala / deva....Basically with or without "Sri"....The op coin being 'with'...In my previous post I identified a third type but now I'm pretty sure there are at least 4..

1...Coins of medieval India 1894.....Sir A.Cunningham Cunningham's one example Plate V#26 (Obverse without "Sri"), but does mention there is a variety "with Sri" although no example is shown.....Reverse states "deva" but no mention of location.


2...Asiatic Society of Bengal 1879 (The copper coins of Kashmir)..C.J.Rodgers...
Rodgers one example...Plate XII#16 (Obverse without "Sri").
Reverse states "deva" to the right.


3...Non-Islamic States 1979..Michael Mitchiner.
Mitchiner's one example (Obverse with "Sri").
Reverse states "deva to the right.


4...Mediaeval Coinage of Kashmir....Kenneth W. West.
West has two examples, both rubbings from the British Museum.
1st..(Obverse without "Sri")...Reverse shows "deva" right.
2nd.(Obverse with "Sri")........Reverse shows "de" left "va" right.This also shows the trident being held in the kings right hand...


Ok so there seems to be at least 4 varieties...

Type 1...Obverse...Sri - Sussala
Reverse...Trident held in left hand, "Deva" bottom right.

Type 2...Obverse...Sri - Sussala
Reverse...Trident held in right hand, "De" to the left "Va"?

Type 3...Obverse...Su - ssala
Reverse...Trident in left hand, "Deva" bottm right.

Type 4....Obverse...Su - ssala
Reverse...Trident still in left hand "De"? to the right "Va".

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It is generally recognised that there were two types of coin for Sussala...but now I'm pretty sure there are at least 4.


A prime illustration of a collector adding to the scholarship on a particular series. Well done.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob....Frustratingly I still have just under 6 years before retirement and would really like to have more time to sit down and focus 100%...I did take your previous advice and have now set up a spread sheet. It covers all the known rulers and also the unidentified, so any coins that come up have their photo, weight, diameter and any other anomalies recorded and saved into the rulers file...This will help tremendously when I can start to set up my dream reference book on this type. Fingers crossed!
There are areas that I do need to study more, such as differences in character portrayals and also the basic history of the region which might highlight areas of doubt.
Thanks again..Paul
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As you know, Paul, I have no coins of this type. If I do came across any in the future this thread will be the first place I'd look for information. The highlighted characters superimposed on the coins make the legends much more easy to understand.

This is a very polished reference and informative thread, with interesting new additions. Kudos.
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Thank you Jim, your comments are really appreciated and I'm so glad you've found the thread informative and hopefully it will also help other future collectors of this series.

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If I do came across any in the future this thread will be the first place I'd look for information
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Jim just send them to me and I'll attribute them in hand no problem...Honest
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Jim just send them to me and I'll attribute them in hand no problem...Honest

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So there I was, minding my own business, trying to attribute a coin from a 4 piece lot titled Ancient India, and the one hint was Kashmir Stater. Somehow I ended up on this thread, oh I guess 3 or 4 hours ago.

Paul, you have done a wonderful job, outstanding in fact, putting together a very tidy set of ancient Kashmir coins with a wealth of history of the Kashmiri rulers.

Pretty sure I am right now in attributing mine to Harsha 1089 - 1101.

I think I will stay away from attempting a set such as yours. The other 3 in the lot I picked up are a Chola Empire Raja Raja massa, a Muhammad Shah 2 Gani and one not yet identified.
I already have a 1/2 karshapana of Indramita,of the Panchala of Ahichatra.
So I think mine will be an eclectic collection from over the sub-continent.
Again, thanks for your huge contribution, it is a credit to your perserverence.
Grant



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Thanks Grant...I'm glad you found the thread helpful & interesting....
Yep your specimen is Harsha, nice to see it with the 'deva'legend on the reverse too...
Kind regards Paul
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Thanks Paul, yes the deva was a bonus!
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The description for this one was for Didda Rani.
I'm not so sure, the text seems different.

Can anyone confirm the ruler?

Thanks
Grant

Late edit: THC from World Of Coins has solved this for me.
He responded
"Close, but no cigar Grant !
As you rightfully notice, the characters to the right of Lakshmi is not identical to that on the Didda Rani specimen. However, also the left side is different. In the Didda Rani specimen there is a "Sri" character, while on your specimen there is a remnant of the arm of the deity. That indicates that this is a coin from one of the earlier rulers in the line of Kashmir Rajas who issued coins in this series.
The characters to the right of Lakshmi on your coin read "GoPa", indicating this is a coin issued under the rule of Gopala Varman (ca 901-904AD).

Solved!



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I got this coin recently and found this thread while researching. How can I tell if it is real and not just a replica that my parents picked up in their travels?
Interesting piece nonetheless for me. Thanks!


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