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 Posted 01/14/2025  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
btsimonh - I take a look of your coin. It is different from mine. It should be the later version and produce many. Mine is the very begging version and the prime pattern coin. It has foreign letters around Chinese era name. Because it is incompatible with political system, all coins of that version were called back. Then Government change design to coin of yours. So yours is the later design. Yours should be old of period--genuine.
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United Kingdom
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 Posted 01/14/2025  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add btsimonh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thankyou for your kind words.

Yes, you have a fine coin of the earlier variety, and very rare, and hence very difficult to compare with others. PCGS mention one sale, and have no images. For mine, ~30 sales in the last 10 years.
Any info in Chinese language that you have on mine would be appreciated - I've seen all of the internet searches now, so have run out of resource :).

I have to ask; you have had the coin for 2 years. Where did it come from and what is that specific coin's story? Provenance seems everything in this world, and for mine it's very thin.
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 Posted 01/14/2025  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese name of your coin is #24191;#19996;#30465;#36896;#20809;#32490;#19971;#38065;#20108;#20998;#38134;#20803;. you can search with this Chinese name. But both price and image you get from internet may not be true. I do not see a genuine one yet. All image showed are wrong. Price show high. It is not real market price. It is hard to sell actually. Better do not expect much. Just have fun. That is it.

Sorry, here do not show other country words. Try below link. But also has Chinese in the link. I do not know if it work.
https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=...ient=gws-wiz
Edited by antiqueeye
01/14/2025 1:08 pm
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United Kingdom
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 Posted 01/14/2025  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add btsimonh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thankyou!
that gives me a whole load more images to look at.
Google search also gives images of yours.

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 Posted 01/14/2025  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
btsimonh - Your coin has good edge tooth. And patina is natural. When you take photo under not very strong sun light patina show clearer.
I think you can keep it. It is good for you to learn the coins and make less mistake in collection.
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 Posted 01/14/2025  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add btsimonh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this one may be interesting for you:
https://www.sohu.com/a/442141344_120091738
https://p6.itc.cn/images01/20210103...1540c55.jpeg
It exhibits minting die aging compared to yours. Interesting the rosettes *start* to look like mine, as does the beading. The 'E' shows the same start of degradation as ALL of my coins that I have seen.

Also this one, half way between:
https://www.ybkinfo.com/yinyuan/p181.html
https://www.ybkinfo.com/yinyuan/yyb...32149937.jpg

Another:
https://www.sohu.com/a/417880083_120091738
https://p0.itc.cn/images01/20200912...8737025.jpeg

BUT. The rosette on yours does not match these. We need to know if the rosette would 'move' to look like the above.

It would be REALLY interesting to have the opinion of a professional minter here :).
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01/14/2025 1:48 pm
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 Posted 01/14/2025  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
btsimonh - I take a look of your analysis. Sorry,, I have to say, you cannot take PCGS as reference. As I said from what I see all rare Chinese coins graded are counterfeited by wax mold and heavily applied artificial patina. That is total different from a genuine coin. Only make you confuse.







Take look of surface, it is not hard to recognize it. it is only because people do not dare questioning PCGS/NGC and trust them.
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01/14/2025 2:27 pm
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 Posted 01/14/2025  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
btsimonh - I see the pages you fund, Unfortunately, from those images, all fake. Those articles are attracting people who do not know much about coin and buy high price fake coin.

When you can recognize wax mold casted coins you will understand.
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 Posted 01/14/2025  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add btsimonh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok, finished the first 3 pages of the Chinese search - and updated website to reflect. thankyou again for that.

The sad thing is that they will grade our surfaces badly :(.
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 Posted 01/15/2025  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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01/15/2025 05:58 am
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 Posted 01/15/2025  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They always sell that strange color coins. It is not natural rust color. Even do not have experience of such coins, basic thing is it should be stamping pressed and natural rust color.
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 Posted 01/15/2025  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you submitted your coin to either PCGS or NGC to have it authenticated ?
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 Posted 01/15/2025  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did. They say my coins are counterfeit and did not give reason. I provided all information, image in natural light, size, weight, silver composition, image of edge tooth. I do not think they consider those things. What they do is to see whether the coin is similar with coins they already graded. I do not collect coins like they graded, It is so obvious strange to take as real one.

That is matter of business, business logic, the way to make money. Does not matter of genuine or fake. Auction house get that kind strange coins then grading company put in holder then sell high price. They get more money is first consideration, not collector, not genuine or fake.

The grading standard and system is not what we think. I do not know how they grade common coins. I see all rare pattern coins are obvious not stamping pressed not natural patina.

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 Posted 01/15/2025  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems they do not look into detail, Otherwise it should not be difficult to recognize those coins are not stamping casted. If do not see detail then do not be surprised they do not judge from patina.

Then expertise, grading professionally, authority in coin grading are not really same as we think. They have standard https://www.pcgs.com/grades but they do not follow when assess a rare pattern coin.
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 Posted 01/15/2025  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This are they grade as SP









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