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Quote: Have you picked up one of these yet? It is a lovely coin, but unfortunately I don't have one of those. 
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There is a little bit of confusion as to what the animal on this coin from Kardia (Cardia) is. It was referenced as BMC 15; SNG Cop 868, lion advancing left. On the Wildwinds site SNG Cop 868 is listed as a panther springing left. Yet another similar coin on VCoins, referenced as Kardia (Archaeologica Bulgarica 13/2009) p. 47, 118. says it is a lion standing right, but the animal is definitely standing/springing left and is given as BMC 14. To my mind the animal's head is too small to be a lion, and with the forelegs in an almost horizontal position, I'd say it was springing rather than advancing or standing. I'm going to use the Wildwinds description rather than the seller's, as it definitely appears to me to be a panther springing, rather than a lion advancing. Does anyone else have thoughts on this - panther or lion?  The Barrington Atlas shows Kardia and Lysimacheia as being on (or very close to) the same location. History states that Kardia was destroyed by Lysimachus around 309 BC, and Lysimacheia, which was built in its vicinity and peopled with the inhabitants of Kardia, became the chief town. Although Kardia was later rebuilt, it never again rose to any degree of prosperity. Kardia was the birthplace of Alexander's secretary Eumenes and of the historian Hieronymus. Strabo gives a probably more accurate description of Kardia's location: "At the mouth of the Hebrus, which discharges itself by two channels, in the gulf of Melas, is a city Ænos, founded by the Mitylenæans and the Cumæans; it's first founders, however were Alopeconnesi; then the promontory Sarpedon; then the Chersonesus called the Thracian Chersonesus, forming the Propontis, the Gulf of Melas, and the Hellespont. It stretches forwards to the south-east, like a promontory, bringing Europe and Asia together, with only a strait between them of 7 stadia in width, the Strait of Nestos and Abydos. On the left is the Propontis, on the right the Gulf Melas, so called from the river Melas, which discharges itself into it, according to Herodotus and Eudoxus. It is stated by Herodotus, that the stream of this river was not sufficient to supply the army of Xerxes. The above promontory is closed in by an isthmus 40 stadia across. In the middle of the isthmus is the city of Lysimachia, named after king Lysimachus, it's founder. On one side of the isthmus, on the Gulf Melas, lies Cardia; it's first founders were Milesians and Clazomenæans, it's second founders Athenians. It is the largest of the cities in the Chersonesus. Pactya is on the Propontis. After Cardia are Drabus and Limnæ; then Alopeconnesus, where the Gulf Melas principally ends; then the great promontory Mazusia; then, in the gulf, Eleus, where is Protesilaum, from whence Sigeum, a promontory of Troas, is 40 stadia distant; this is about the most southern extremity of the Chersonesus, distant from Cardia rather more than 400 stadia; if the circuit is made by sea to the other side of the isthmus, the distance is a little greater."  Kardia - Thrace. 350-309 BC Obverse: Panther springing left. Reverse: Barley corn within linear square. Reverse Inscription: KAP-ΔIA. Bronze Diameter: 12 mm. Weight: 1.8 gr. Reference: BMC 15; SNG Cop 868
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Interesting coin and ditto background as usual, @Novicius!  My vote would be for a lion. I think I can see a mane behind its neck. Whether advancing or springing, I cannot tell, though.
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Thanks, @erafjel. Quote: My vote would be for a lion. I think I can see a mane behind its neck. Good call.  On closer examination there does appear to be traces of a mane. It prompted me to do a search for "Kardia and grain" on ACSearch. The search returned 98 results, and all the animals on the coins were lions. (Lion heads, lion walking, lion leaping etc.) Not a panther to be seen.
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The stylized bull on this coin caught my eye and the description piqued my interest: The city of Besancon (Latin: Vesontio), located in Eastern France close to the Jura Mountains and the border with Switzerland, sits within an oxbow of the Doubs River (a tributary of the Saone River); a mountain closes the fourth side. During the Bronze Age in the mid-2nd Millennium BC. tribes of Gauls settled the oxbow. From the 1st century BC. onward, the town had a significant military importance because the Alps rise abruptly to its immediate south, presenting a significant natural barrier. The Arar (Saone) River formed part of the border between the Haedui and their hereditary rivals, the Sequani. The Sequani controlled access to the Rhine River and had built an oppidum (a fortified town) at Vesontio to protect their interests. Julius Caesar, in his commentaries detailing his conquest of Gaul, describes Vesontio (possibly Latinized), as the largest town of the Sequani, a smaller Gaulic tribe, and mentions that a wooden palisade surrounded it.  Strabo had a lot to say about the Sequani and the area in general. Below are a few paragraphs from his Geography pertaining to the Sequani: "The Ædui are said to be related to the Romans, and they were the first to enter into a friendship and alliance with them. On the other side of the Saone dwell the Sequani, who have for long been at enmity with the Romans and Ædui, having frequently allied themselves with the Germans in their incursions into Italy. It was then that they proved their strength, for united to them the Germans were powerful, but when separated, weak. As for the Ædui, their alliance with the Romans naturally rendered them the enemies of the Sequani, but the enmity was increased by their contests concerning the river that divides them, each nation claiming the Saone exclusively for themselves, and likewise the tolls on vessels passing. However, at the present time, the whole of it is under the dominion of the Romans." "The Saone rises in the Alps, and separates the Sequani, the Ædui, and the Lincasii. It afterwards receives the Doubs, a navigable river which rises in the same mountains, still however preserving its own name, and consiting of the two, mingles with the Rhone. The Rhone in like manner preserves its name, and flows on to Vienne. At their rise these three rivers flow towards the north, then in a westerly direction, afterwards uniting into one they take another turn and flow towards the south, and having received other rivers, they flow in this direction to the sea. Such is the country situated between the Alps and the Rhone." "Lugdunum itself, situated on a hill, at the confluence of the Saone and the Rhone, belongs to the Romans. It is the most populace city after Narbonne. It carries on a great commerce, and the Roman prefects here coin both gold and silver money. Before this city, at the confluence of the rivers, is situated the temple dedicated by by all the Galatæ in common to Cæsar Augustus. The altar is splendid, and has inscribed on it the names of sixty people, and images of them,one for each, and also another great altar." "This is the principal city of the nation of the Segusiani who lie between the Rhone and the Doubs. The other nations who extend to the Rhine, are bounded in part by the Doubs, and in part by the Saone. These two rivers, as said before, descend from the Alps, and, falling into one stream, flow into the Rhone. There is likewise another river which has its sources in the Alps, and is names the Seine. It flows parallel with the Rhine, through a nation bearing the same name as itself, and so into the ocean. The Sequani are bounded on the east by the Rhine, and on the opposite side by the Saone. It is from them that the Romans procure the finest salt-pork." "After the Helvetti, the Sequani and Mediomatrici dwell along the Rhine, amongst whom are the Tribocchi, a German nation who emigrated from their country hither. Mount Jura, which is in the country of the Sequani, separates that people from the Helvetii."  Celtic Coinage. Gaul: Sequanes (The Sequani). c. 80-59 BC. Potin Unit, Besançon (Vesontio). Obverse: Celticized head left, diademed. Reverse: Bull, tail erect, butting left on ground-line. Bronze. Diameter:19 mm, Weight: 4.62 gr. Reference: BMC 308. Castelin, SLM (Keltische Münzen: Katalog der Sammlung I'm Schweizerischen Landesmuseum Zürich) 823. LT - (but cf. 5368=obv. / 5401=rev.). The coin is in very high relief which is not apparent from the images.
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Great write-up as usual, and interesting coin. What an odd rendition of a bull. Looks more like the love child of a horse and monkey.
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Very interesting background - I now know much more about this part of Gaul than I did before - and an interesting coin. The bull looks a bit skinny but elegant, and the tail is impressive. I thought at first this was a result of the artist exercising some creative freedom, but when browsing the Sequani potins available at CGB, I see many examples which have the same depiction of the bull. So there was probably some artistic convention that governed how bulls should be represented in this context.
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Thanks, Bob. Quote: What an odd rendition of a bull. Looks more like the love child of a horse and monkey. Yes!  Thanks, Erafjel. Strabo must have spent a lot of time in Gaul, and it takes up a fair bit of his Geography. His descriptions are very precise. Quote: So there was probably some artistic convention that governed how bulls should be represented in this context. Indeed. It appears to be a very common interpretation of a bull on these coins.
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On the bottom of page 23 of this thread http://goccf.com/t/363454&whichpage=23 I had posted a coin from Mytilene on the island of Lesbos with two boars' heads confronted. Though the mint is uncertain, I was pleased to find this less easy to find similar one in better condition, and with the ethnic on the obverse. It has a very nice dark, even toning. Graded by Gitbud & Naumann as Good VF.  Lesbos. Lesbian Koinon. Late Archaic Period. c. 478-460 BC. Silver Billon Twelfth-Stater (Obol). Obverse: Confronted boars' heads, above ΛΕΣ. Reverse: Incuse square of rough form. Silver/billon. Diameter: 10 mm. Weight: 0.89 gr. Reference: BMC 13-14. Lorenzo Lazzarini (2011) Lesbos Series IV. Babelon Traité pl. XV, 1. Klein, KM 349.
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Wonderful rendition of the boars' heads. And when considering the minuscule size of the coin, I am once again astonished by the skills of the ancient die cutters. A very nice coin. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Neat addition Jim! Great to see the lettering above the boars' heads is readable....Cool coin!
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Thanks, guys.  When the coin arrived I was delighted to see how much detail there was on the boars' heads. Once again the sale images didn't do it justice.
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Very nice upgrade on that obverse Novicius!
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Thanks, @chrsmat71. 
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