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How To Tell If A Coin Has Been Mounted In Jewelry

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Hey

Just came across the following coin and thought how do people tell if a coin has been mounted e.g. are the flat areas around the rim from mounting or from being used?



Admittedly NGC graded the coin Ch AU 5/5 Strk, 5/5 Surface with no details grade for evidence of mounting/jewelry.

Thanks for the help
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Seems to me that if this coin had been mounted as jewelry long enough to produce wear between the mount and the rim, that whichever side was facing out would have worn preferentially to the extent that it would be obvious. I don't see differential wear and so would therefore conclude that the irregularity in the rim is most likely due to the relatively crude manufacturing method.
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If genuine, these staters were made from gold of about 95% purity, which was the highest possible purity obtainable at the time.

Gold is soft. I find it almost impossible to believe that after 2,300 years, that so many of these coins have survived in such pristine condition.

Despite all third party assessments that such coins are genuine, I still have my doubts. Macedonian staters these days in this condition seem to be curiously more common than they were 50 years ago, (20 yrs old at the time), when I first took an interest in ancient coins.

They can be tested by XRF looking for trace elements, not gold.

My coin came from Spinks in London, in 1978. I still have all of the sales documentation and packaging, as well as the B&W polaroids.
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I would expect gold coins to be in pristine condition for the same reason you're likely to find a pristine $500 bill rather than a $1. Bronze coins having low value would be used much more frequently than silver, and silver more frequently than gold. I know more about Roman values than Greeks, and this writer guesses that a gold aureus would be equivalent to 50 British pounds today.

http://romantables.8m.com/money.html

That comparison is still poor considering we are much wealtheir today than the ancients were. I would guess the average "wage" back then would be more like the lowest we find on the planet today - about $1 a day - with 95% of people subsisting on that. So a gold coin representing 2-3 months of wages would likely act as a store of wealth rather than as a medium of exchange and so would show little to no wear.


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Just came across the following coin and thought how do people tell if a coin has been mounted e.g. are the flat areas around the rim from mounting or from being used?


I picked up this coin yesterday & posed a question about the raised bumps. (So far) the consensus is juxtaposed to flattened rims. Rather, the raised portions are the result of the coin being mounted in a bezel... but I suppose there is more then 1 way to mount a coin into jewelry.




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Any type of jewelry mounting is evident if you know what and where to look on the edges and outside peripheries.

Regardless of the type of mount, they are made to keep a coin "in place" and the only way to do that is to press firmly against the coin edges. Some are very evident because they show a distinct catch where the outside material embedded into the coin, such as the large cent above.

Others may only show as a second ring around the periphery on both the obverse and reverse.

Look on ebay for coins mounted as jewelry and you will see dozens or even hundreds of examples with many different styles of placement.

Once you know how the coins are mounted, it's easy to see where the outside jewelry, or bezel, attached to the coin.

It's a lot like looking for graffiti on bust half dollars. Until you get used to looking for that potential problem, you are likely to buy a BHD with graffiti that is only evident after you have it in-hand.
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There are many ways to mount a coin for jewllery.

Ancient coins are irregular in shape; jewellery-makers usually like symmetry, so an ancient coin might be "rounded". I own a small copper coin from Carrhae (Iraq), which some previous owner decided to make round by filing down the edges on one side.

The irregularity and thickness of your typical ancient coin usually means that "mounting" it is done via a mechanism not entirely unlike the mechanism used in the OP's picture of the slabbed coin: claws at three, four or five points holding the coin firmly in place. Except that in the case of jewellery, the claws are metal rather than plastic. This will create "dents" in the coin where the claws had grabbed on.

The other way such a coin might be mounted is by soldering on a loop or other attachment. "Solder" sounds harmless, but we're talking about jeweller's solder - made of metal that melts at a temperature only slightly lower than the coin itself. It doesn't come off with an ordinary household soldering iron. Nor will it simply "wash off" in strong acid. It's also usually of a high silver content, so looks paler than a pure-gold coin would normally look. Since the composition is different at a solder spot, they can cause a stain of tarnish or other discolouration, even on a gold coin. They also usually scuff up the coin at the point on the coin where the solder is attached using fine sandpaper, so the solder can get a better grip on the surface; this of course permanently damages the coin, eve if you could in theory get all the solder off.
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