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1697 William III - 6 Pence Silver Coin

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 Posted 02/14/2024  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list

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For British Silver, I'd recommend grabbing a copy of "English Silver Coinage Since 1649" by Maurice Bull. It's almost like the bible of British silver coinage and has some fantastic diagrams and explanations, along with the relative rarity of the coin.

Worth the £55, or $70, if you haven't got one.

Thanks - I'll go have a look for that...


edit - found it for $67.33 USD
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 Posted 02/14/2024  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
It is possible you have a new variety. Having said that, there are so many varieties for these dates already that I doubt it would command much of a premium in that condition. The bigger varieties - changes of main dies, rotated shields etc, do have serious collectors, so you never know.
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Thanks Paddy - I wasn't too worried about value (yet) just the discovery.. I wonder if there is someplace I can present it to, to have it attributed..... maybe Numista..

Once I get that book mentioned above, I'll have a look in it to see if there is any listing for that..
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I think your best bet would be to contact the author of ESC - Maurice Bull - if he is still around!
I have 6th edition of ESC published 2015 and that gives a contact email of mauricebull at btinternet dot com.
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Thanks again That is very helpful. I'll do just that. Probably when I get home, I'll remove it from the 2x2 and get better images of it some with my scope of certain areas, (like under the bust) to submit it to him. and get that answer for you at the same time about that 'B' too
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I think your best bet would be to contact the author of ESC - Maurice Bull - if he is still around!


He's still around Paddy, but he's getting on in age and taking things a little easier these days. There'll probably be no further updated version of the ESC.
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OK - no problem. That makes it London mint, which is fairly standard. The provincial mints are not desperately scarce, but give one the excuse to add more to the collection!
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I hate it when my gaydar goes off so forgive me for airing my concerns. It has all the look of a fake. From its metal looking appearance along with so many things that are wrong about the coin including Fred Flinstone's Dino try to pass off as the Scottish emblem in the shield. I don't know what is in the centre and the quartered surround doesn't look quartered. Coins and designs are made in a symmetrical nature and it just looks like everything is out of proportion.

It could be just a bad angle from the camera but I very much doubt it If it's genuine I am Elvis. The conmen in this field are a blithe to the coin collecting fraternity and the sad thing is they are getting better. This probably answers your OP why does the shield have 2 lines and not 1 .
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I appreciate your comments and concerns - that is why I post these coins up separately.
But this coin and almost all the coin I posted so far I bought from an antique store in Wales (UK) back in 1984. ( I went back and checked that it was not a new purchase)

I'll wait for others to chime in on this new development.. thanks.
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I'm trying to figure out what mint this coin came from and to also find out what variety it is (harp size - early or later) crown size Etc. Are there any good sites I can visit for this coin (1697 William III 6 pence - as a reminder)
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Ok maybe I got it.
First bust, small crowns, 2nd harp, no MM.
So this is from London -
Sp#3531, KM#484.12 (1696-97) no mintmark, later harp, small crowns
Info taken from: https://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/p...d/index.html

AND this one has that double border around the shield/crest as indicated above.


can someone check my math please?
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 Posted 03/05/2024  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
I guess I got it correct, if there was no further input. I'll assume that this coin is authentic.
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