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They should have the initials of the engraver.
Do not worry. If the die was worn they may be hard to see.


Thanks Jecz79


hfjacinto thanks for the photos. Looks amazing.
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First coin, and the one I really wanted to get. This is a Maria 2 gold coin in 2500 Reis. This coin in today's exchange is equal to 1 euro cent. But none the less, pretty cool.

Of all the gold coins, this one is pretty easy to get with minimal premium.

The coin:

Issuer:Portugal
Queen: Mary II (Maria II) (1834-1853)
Type: Standard circulation coins
Year : 1851
Value: 2500 Reis
Currency Real (decimalized, 1835-1910)
Composition: Gold (.9166)
Weight: 4.48 g
Demonetized Yes
References: KM 487




In some ways Maria 2, was the start to the end of the monarchy, she was queen at 7 and then deposed and queen again at 15. While she bore many children (11), 5 died early. Her oldest son was only king for 8 years. The other 2 sons eventually acquired the crown but filandered and pretty much ruled over an infective government. Resulting in a regicide in 1908 and an overthrow of the government in 1910. Maria 2 being so young and her children pretty much using the crown for personal good rather than the state good, resulted in constant government turmoil and bad government.
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Beautiful gold coin, hfjacinto.
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I see you visited Piodão. And went down to the river. Must have been nice with the good weather.

That 2500 réis is in very good condition. Some weak details in these coins can be from weak dies. Mint condition ones are not common to find fully struck.
Is is a small coin. So for the work to produce the dies must have been great. All the punches used were opened by hand at that scale. The first pantograph to reduce and transfer larger models was bought only in 1912.
The engraver at the time was Francisco da Borja Freire (FBF) who had learned with William Wyon. And would also produce the coins for the brief reign of the son of Maria II.

Inflation was even greater than what you said. 2500 réis would be two and an half escudos. And that would be 1.25 cents of the euro. The monetary unit devalued by 200000 times in 150 years and two replacements of the currency.

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Nice addition, hfjacinto.
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Nice gold addition to your Portugal set, hfjacinto. Thanks for the additional info as well!
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Very Nice addition!
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Very nice coin, hfjacinto! And thank you and jecz79 for the historical summaries.
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Nice addition to the collection hfjacinto! Thanks for sharing the trip photos too, looks like you had some great weather while there.
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Excellent gold, congratulations on your purchase.
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Thanks all for the great comments! Today's coin is a modern commemorative. And honestly I think Portugal is running out of things to commemorate. This coin commemorates the merging of Goan and Portuguese furniture making.

The state of Goa on the West Coast of India was a Portuguese colony until 1962 and is famous for its Indo-Portuguese culture and architecture. During the 16th and part of the 17th century, Goa became the warehouse and transshipment port of all trade between East and West and one of the richest cities of that time.

When the Portuguese arrived in India they were confronted by communities and customs very different to their own. Indeed, the Indian populace were not accustomed to sitting on chairs or having furniture in the same way the Portuguese were used to.

To begin with, chairs were brought from Portugal and many ancient documents refer to forms of seating taken from Portugal to India, right from the time of the very first voyage. However due to the growing need, for furniture another solution had to be found.

It was soon discovered that the local craftsmen were highly skilled and they were tasked with making copies of the imported European chairs. These were made from the indigenous exotic hardwoods found in the region such as rosewood. Furthermore, the craftsmen began to adorn the chairs with carved motifs which were Indian in design. This was the beginning of the Indo-Portuguese or Portuguese colonial style seen on many Portuguese colonial chairs.



To respond to the growing demand for seating, by the Portuguese in Goa, carpenters and master craftsmen became more organised. Workshops appeared in churches and mansions and also in streets dedicated to the production of chairs and seating in general.



The coin comes in a beautiful case.




The case is lucite and cork. The lucite is held in place with Magnets.


The coin:
Issuer: Portugal
Period: Third Republic (1974-date)
Type: Non-circulating coins
Year 2023
Value: 5 Euros
Currency: Euro (2002-date)
Composition: Silver (.925)
Weight: 14 g
Diameter: 30 mm
Technique: Milled, Coloured
Orientation : Medal alignment
References: KM##8239;948a
Mintage: 3000




I purchased this one due it being colored, always wanted a colored coin and also my great-great grandfather was from Goa.
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Beautiful coin, hfjacinto! And thank you for providing the historical background of the Indo-Portuguese furniture industry.
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