For Comment: 8-Reales Mexico : 1788fm And 1806th

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fireandice556 Valued Member Philippines 72 Posts	Posted 07/12/2010 07:57 am For me to move on, I need to understand and reconcile with my past... :) I'm presenting a couple of Spanish Colonial 8R Portraits/Bust which I felt is on the borderline / questionable authenticity. 1. Mo 1788 FM (KM#106.1) Armored bust of Carlos III Diameter : 39.17mm side-to-side / 38.87 top-bottom Weight is a bit below the normal at 26.5gms. Obverse : The date has a lump on one of the '8'. Some fine lumps near the 'III'. Lots of circulation damage. Reverse : is a bit better looking than what is showing and highlight, but still does look has those spots. Edge : I found no overlap, though it exhibits a lot of circulation damage. I'll let the picture do the talking. Click here for hi-res photo of Obverse Click here for hi-res photo of Reverse 2. Mo 1806 TH (KM#110) Armored bust of Ferdinand VII (transitional) Diameter : 39.63mm side-to-side / 39.65mm top-bottom Weight : 26.94gms. This coin is darkly reddish in tone. There are some smudges that is quite evident in the hi-resolution photo. Obverse : Details are clear including what looks like smudges Reverse : Is the die not meticulously polished during this transitional period? Lumps on the left pillar and on the assayer is evident. Is it delamination on 'P' of HISPAN? Edge : Overlap of the edge design 'o[]o[]o' is quite evident Click here for hi-res photo of Obverse Click here for hi-res photo of Reverse Click here for his-res photo of the edges With the help of this forum, I beginning to learn a lot. For the past two months, I'm trying to segregate which coin goes forward to my main collection, and which one would go into the counterfeit bin or secondary closet. Please share your opinions / knowledge. Report this Post to the Staff

Nic Pillar of the Community Philippines 1156 Posts	Posted 07/12/2010 7:48 pm very nice coins! very nice detailed pics! the 1788 looks real, weight and details specially the eights are ok, of interest is the wear and nicks shown in great detail. the hardest to fake are the nicks/wear of the coin and this one looks and feels real. Any technicality on why its not? the 1809 has some inconsistent factors, the nick/wear on the coin is dissimilar on the Obv & Rev, take note of Rev 12 oclock showing two denticles? what's that? (looks like a left-over cast stem filed into denticles?) the eight's curl is questionable as well as the wearing down of the coin (in the HISPAN area)is not consistent with friction or contact by dropping or mixing with other coins, edges are not consistent with the production of the 1809 pereod. I'll put in a personal ? on this one. I also collect casts and fakes, and place them in a special album, makes an interesting study, on how various metals, formed as coins, exhibit particularities dissimilar to genuines. Thanks for sharing! Report this Post to the Staff
fireandice556 Valued Member Philippines 72 Posts	Posted 09/16/2024 08:28 am I'm re-starting this hobby after a long 14 years of hiatus. As the OP and with Photobucket become a paid service, I think I need to repost the photos for educational / informational purposes. This is Mo 1788 FM (KM#106.1) Edited by fireandice556 09/16/2024 08:34 am Report this Post to the Staff
fireandice556 Valued Member Philippines 72 Posts	Posted 09/16/2024 08:33 am for this -- I think I made an old typo - it's actually 1809 2. Mo 1809 TH (KM#110) Armored bust of Ferdinand VII (transitional) pattern overlaps Report this Post to the Staff
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