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A Fake That Is Actually Modern 1816 8 Reales

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 Posted 07/23/2024  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not photographed every example of the 1816 in my collection, but everyone I have been able to locate regardless of condition has that same scratch. That is basic proof of a transferred image to either a die for striking or a mold for casting.

That was the downfall of the micro - O Morgan dollars - repeated identical damage. Proof that a coin dated before 1900 was a modern copy.

I had not noticed that scratch before which is a real surprise.
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 Posted 07/25/2024  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking at the pics I have and I'm realizing it's not actually a scratch... just a deeply engraved fold in Fernando's drapery. On the two really worn examples, it remains while everything else around it was worn flat and thus it mimics a scratch.
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I am glad to know it is not a scratch. However, I wonder why that fold went so deeply into the metal? To pass deeply into a coin, allowing the higher metal to wear away leaving just a groove in the portrait, the corresponding feature on the die would have to be a standing fin.

Albert Would you be interested in sharing Photos of your counterfeit Cap and Ray coins? You have some interesting edge designs and I would like to associate them with dates and mints of the counterfeits.
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