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1801 8 Reales Mexico

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Hi everyone. Looking for some help and appraisal of this 8 Reales. I'm still in novice territory with numismatics but learning. I've attempted quite a few times to research this coin but out of my depth. Its 26.7 grams, 40mm diameter. I'm convinced it's a counterfeit as just doesn't quite look 'right' to me. Obviously cleaned. I guess my ask is not necessarily if it's genuine, more if its a modern or contemporary counterfeit. I struggled photographing the edge. Any help much appreciated.


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Hey FTJR,

Yes, I too think this is cleaned, but I do think this is a genuine coin, as there are quite a few counterstamps from Asia and does not appear off to my eyes...
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Thanks for the response. I thought the edge looked inconsistent as well but if it is genuine, that's pleasing. Just don't know enough about these. Appreciate the reply, thanks.
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Sure this is Mexico.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18852.html

Thanks for the replies all, such a helpful resource this with friendly people.
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 Posted 07/23/2024  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FTJR

You are right the coin bears the Mexico City mint mark.

The chop marks may be genuine but they are never absolute proof since they have been placed on forged coins for as long as forgeries have been made.

Earlier tonight I replied to another Mo 8R dated 1798. With the exception of my comments about surface texture of that coin, what I said applies to this one.

Even if it tests at 90% silver it may be a silver CCC made for China trade between 1820 and 1930.

You can also read my old posts on edging to learn how these coins were edged BEFORE the coin was struck. That can account for flattened circles between the rectangles on the colonial edge.

Make sure the coin has two overlaps in the edge design 180 degrees apart of the same length. One overlap is fake, three or more would be fake. Laps of different lengths also means fake. Fake could be CCC or NF.

Density should be 10.3 regardless of weight. There are posts on density as well. Take care this series when tested with XRF proves that there are about as many fakes as genuine coins on the market.

So you have a 50% chance of being correct at this point.
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