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A Counterfeit Half Penny, A Freak From The Revolution ?

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My grandfather had a coin store in Westchester County, NY, back in the 1960s. I have been going through what remains of his collection and came across this George III half penny. You can see what he thought it was from the packaging in the picture below. My father came along after my grandfather passed and thought it might be counterfeit (that's his handwriting). And now it's my turn. So here it is, weighing in at about 6 grams with a diameter of roughly 26mm, which to my understanding puts this squarely in the counterfeit category. On the other hand, the raised edge and evidence of denticles to the rim (still clearly evident on a small section of the reverse) argues against counterfeit (I think). But something else about it doesn't sit right with me: the legend on the obverse reads GEORGIVS (badly faded) III D G REX, which suggests a later issue coin while the lack of a date and the way the shield leans on the reverse suggests 1st issue. Help!


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 Posted 02/26/2025  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot offer an opinion on its authenticity, but I have to say I am impressed with how this and the other coins have been passed down from generation to generation.
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Looks like an evasion copper. Probably light weight compared to a regal issue.
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Looks like an evasion copper.
Ah, interesting. Some topics to help educate on what that is...

http://goccf.com/t/106272
http://goccf.com/t/405011
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VERY light weight and thanks for links, jbuck.

Funny story about my grandfather's store: I was about 7 or 8 when he passed but I can remember being there at least once. Unbeknownst to me, he had filled his coin counting machine. But when he turned it on he told me it was MAKING money instead and of course I believed him. Unbeknownst to him (or maybe not), he had created a monster.
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Funny story about my grandfather's store: I was about 7 or 8 when he passed but I can remember being there at least once. Unbeknownst to me, he had filled his coin counting machine. But when he turned it on he told me it was MAKING money instead and of course I believed him. Unbeknownst to him (or maybe not), he had created a monster.
Great story!
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I'm still stumped. Can anyone with access to the Atkins and/or Galata catalogue find an example of an evasion copper with this design and this legend (GEORGIVS III D G REX) including Britannia's shield leaning left, as this one does?
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I have the Galata/Withers token book, which list evasions, but most of them only by words, not pictures. Without the legend or date on the reverse it is impossible to home in on which this is in this list. The range with the Georgius III Rex obverse are numbers 225 to 229. (230 has the same legend but portrait facing the other way.)
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Thanks PaddyB!
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My gut reaction is that it's a counterfeit. Evasives usually had something in the legend which the manufacturer could point to as evidence of it not being a halfpenny, hence the name. But having said that, the obverse doesn't look much like George III. Very interesting coin.
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