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I picked up this small copper coin at an auction recently. It was described only as "unidentified Celtic". I have searched through Spink "Coins of England" and also Mack "Coinage of Ancient Britain" but so far have no definite ID. Closest seems to me to be Regni, but all the examples quoted with a head on the obverse also have some inscription, which this lacks. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Measures approx 11mm diameter, appears to be copper alloy, and weighs 1.89g.

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Can't help. but lovely object isn't it.
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Not my area, I browsed through wildwinds:

https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/celtic/i.html

Maybe Sequani? There are so many tribes
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Thanks for the reminder about Wildwinds - I had forgotten them as I haven't had to go researching coins for a while.
I have been through quite a bit of that site now, without a definite match but with several "close". I will continue later.

On another forum someone has suggested it might be one of the numerous reproductions being flogged on ebay, which may be the case. Of course I would be disappointed if it is, but I can't write it off without something more than a suspicion.

I really need someone for whom Celtic is their home territory to give some steer.
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Take a look at the edge, is there a seam? The obverse rough surface kinda looks like evidence of sand casting as well. I could be wrong.

Good reference:
https://calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/cast.htm
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Thanks for those thought and the link. I have been through their tips now.
Absolutely no sign of a casting seam around the edge.
The unevenness of the obverse surface looks more like pitting with age to me - not fine enough or even enough to be sand casting, but I may too be wrong!
If it is a cast copy, presumably we should be able to identify the original it was copied from? I have been through most of the Wildwinds Celtic coins now, without a close match. I read the reverse as a horseman with a flowing cape on the back of the horse, and I haven't found anything close to that.
Any other thoughts?
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Horse with bird or winged rider, perhaps?

Start here:

https://vanarsdellcelticcoinageofbr...m/index.html
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Absolutely no sign of a casting seam around the edge...If it is a cast copy


This fake, and many others, are struck, not cast.
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Thanks for the further thoughts. It has now been consigned to the sin bin.
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It has now been consigned to the sin bin.
Is the sin bin a euphemism for where you keep documented fakes for use in future comparisons?
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Exactly that!
We learn by our mistakes (eventually) and having the offending object, clearly labelled for future generations, helps reinforce the lesson.
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That gave me a chuckle. The "sin bin" is what we call the penalty box in ice hockey.
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