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Interesting 1870 Shield Nickel

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Any ideas what is going on here with the S's in STATES and CENTS, and the A in AMERICA?



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Very curious. This one on the PCGS site has the exact same incomplete letters:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1870-5c/3797
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That is a really cool example, so many letters are impacted. It looks like a very late stage die pair, lots of die cracks. I believe the missing parts of the letters arise from die polishing which can raise the field and eliminate some of the shallower parts of the letters. Similar to what cause some of the Buffalo nickels to loose their 3rd feather or other features like legs. Great to see and thanks for sharing those images.
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An over polished die issue could be the cause here.
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Known hub issue with the Shield nickels. The progression of this hub is well documented for the 1868 nickels in the CPG, though I'm not sure if it's typical for this hub to have been used for 1870 reverses.
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Nice looking Shield.

I don't know much about them except what was shared with me on my 1868 shield, and using the CCF search box and internet.

Here is my post in which the shield has partial lettering also, very similar to yours. Your D in UNITED is also partial.

I can't tell from your photos if there are any die cracks or clashing.


http://goccf.com/t/451823


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Thank you for the information Tanman2001. Just learned something new today.
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I didn't even notice the D... I made an offer on it, we'll see.
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Good luck, let us know!
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Must have been struck by the same die on mine as well,
Top of the S ,top of the R ,last A of AMERICA and top of the D
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This is the one from the PCGS site: MS 66+. I've also seen several others with the same partial lettering.
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This one is up for auction now. PCGS PR55 with the same partial letters. The plot thickens.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266499325800


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Remember the mint had a really hard time striking these. The die kept cracking and many where poorly struck as nickel is very hard. The die's also wore out fast, hence many reasons that the S can be partial.
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