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Counterfeit Detection: 1874 5 Pesetas In Silver And Bronze

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NGC - Showing a pretender to the Spanish throne, these coins are pretenders themselves.

In 1833, a dying Spanish King Ferdinand VII broke with tradition to decree that his daughter, Isabella II, would be his successor, rather than his younger brother, Charles V. This sparked a series of civil wars, including the Third Carlist War that began in 1872. The Carlist forces were led by pretender to the throne Charles VII (the grandson of Charles V). They were able to seize territory in northern Spain before being driven into exile in 1876.

Pretenders to the throne sometimes mint their own coins in order to bolster their claims to power. In 1874, silver and bronze 5 Pesetas bearing the name and image of Charles VII were struck in several designs, including ones where the date is on the obverse only, on the reverse only, and on both the obverse and reverse. Today, these coins are recognized as an important part of Spain's rich numismatic history.


Genuine 1874 Charles VII 5 Pesetas

Genuine examples of the 1874 coinage of Charles VII can sell for hundreds or even thousands of dollars. NGC recently received purported examples of two of these coins from the same submitter, one struck in silver and the other in bronze. However, both were determined to be counterfeit.


Counterfeit 1874 Charles VII 5 Pesetas

These two counterfeits are betrayed by their repeating depressions. The marks existed on the genuine coin that was used to create the false dies. Those dies captured these marks and imparted them to every coin struck from them. They can be seen below the ear and to the left of the date on the obverse, and near the top of the coat of arms and the first A in HISPANIARUM on the reverse. Two coins would not pick up the same marks in these exact same places independently.


Repeating marks on the two counterfeit coins

These imperfections are hallmarks of a transfer-die counterfeit, one of the most deceptive types of counterfeit coins. To learn more about them, visit NGCcoin.com/counterfeit. And keep in mind that NGC's determinations of authenticity and grade are backed by the NGC Guarantee.

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Boy, that's scary!
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Counterfeits are being very scary.
Die transfer and production equipment is common. Many mints around the world, a big market for equipment. This is the lazy thing. Could be done with older equipment, surplus and cheap. But it should be easy to fix the defects in the transfer, new equipment allows for that without a real skilled engraver does it not? Then how can one detect counterfeits?
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I have two counterfeit 5 Pesetas 1881 and 1888
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Albert if you are able I would like to see an image of them.
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I had to cut away and rushed these pictures.
They were not taken in the best light.
I could do better.



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I can see the cast nature of the devices on the reverse but admit I'm looking for problems. Thanks for posting these.
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I doubt these are cast- my poor photos likely look like that.
When tilted the surface is much different.
They look like any other normal coin in hand.
The edges also look normal in hand even when magnified.
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