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Counterfeit Detection: 1793 S-5 Wreath Large Cent + 1-Page Attribution Guide

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Jack Young - Continuing on the theme of disclosing discovered current deceptive struck counterfeits and establishing one-page attribution guides for each, the variety for this installment has been the subject of a previous CoinWeek article from the folks at NGC entitled "Counterfeit Coin Detection - 1793 Flowing Hair Large Cent" (December 6, 2016), and a July 2016 Penny-Wise report. This is intended as a supplement to the NGC piece with additional examples and "sister marks" to aid in identifying these documented fakes.

This edition features the 1793 S-5 discussed in late 2015. I had originally posted several similar examples on Copper Notes, the Early American Coppers, and titled that post "If at first, you don't succeed. try another TPG".

1793 S-5 image courtesy of NGC

NGC evaluated this as "Altered Surfaces"; after an initial post on Copper Notes, this S-5 went off the radar for a couple of months. Then in February we were notified of images of a possible second matching example and this one was in the spotlight again.

After reviewing the images it became apparent that this is the same coin, sent to a second Third-Party Grader in the hopes that they'd see it differently. Again, this example failed to make it into a TPG holder.

1793 S-5 image courtesy of PCGS

After some casual investigative work the possible "pre-source" coin was found, an ex-2012 auction example. The reason I say "pre-source" coin is that it appears this one was "doctored" into the initial NGC coin, used to make the transfer dies and then submitted for certification to resell while coining the counterfeits!

Many of the marks/ pits remain except the main one stretching from the nose to the upper lip (coin below).

"Pre-source" Images courtesy of Heritage Auctions (HA.com)

Several members of Copper Notes weighed in on the quality of the suspected repair and re-engraving; which appeared to be done with a high degree of skill.

After the initial Copper Notes post we were notified of two other examples that had been submitted for certification; one appears to be the example from the previously mentioned NGC CW article. I have highlighted many of the obvious "sister marks" between these four examples.

Obverse common sister marks (images courtesy NGC)

Many common reverse sister marks

Reverse common sister marks

Unfortunately, the story doesn't end here; some additional investigation resulted in finding another example listed for sale. This one was in a TPG holder and had originally sold on the internet for $14,375.00 - again a testament to how deceptive the latest wave of struck "counterfeits" actually is. I contacted both the TPG and the owner with the concerns and both concurred. I understand they worked out something mutually acceptable; folks are getting stung on both sides (collector and TPG) by these.

In order to better help hobbyists identify possible struck fakes going forward, I have developed a single-page "Attribution Guide" to summarize images of the source example (if known), a struck clone and a known genuine one, and the visual "attribution/circulation" marks documented on all examples known; the page for these follows.

I can report this investigation has been a collaborative effort with several EAC members-including representatives of several TPGs instrumental in the sharing of images and info in the effort to "get the word out"-and I would like to thank you! Again I've drawn no conclusions about what is real or what is "Memorex", but I am convinced more than one of these is counterfeit. I would ask that the readers be on the lookout for other duplicate examples and REPORT them.

Remember - The truth is out there!

Best,

Jack

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Thanks again for posting; one of my 1st articles on a group of really deceptive struck counterfeits.
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Way too complicated for me.
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Good article ;-)
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Excellent work and great article, burfle! Thank you for keeping a spotlight on these fakes.
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