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 Posted 07/21/2024  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not to be picky, but I think that coin vs. medal would be 180 degrees out of alignment?


That's not being picky. That's the truth

Then again (maybe) I wouldn't have made that stupid mistake if there were some pictures.
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 Posted 07/22/2024  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
France 10 Francs 1951 - 90 (or 270) degree die rotation
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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 Posted 07/22/2024  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
90 degrees, not 180. imagine a clock. 90 degrees is 3 oclock. 180 is 6 oclock. Id say every coin dealer or even semi-serious collector knows what a 90 degree die rotation means.

The simple question was is a victorian 1845 crown with a 90 degree die rotation considered rare.

I can appreciate that pics are nice to look at. But in this simple case, its completely unnecessary. Is posting a photo a necessity to asking a simple question and getting a simple answer on here?

perhaps I should have added, "assume its a real coin"
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 Posted 07/22/2024  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Email these guys: http://rotateddies.com/
Without a photo how do you know it is not an altered coin to look like a real rotated coin?
Simple answer is I for one do not know.
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 Posted 07/22/2024  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add igwt79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The simple question was is a victorian 1845 crown with a 90 degree die rotation considered rare.


If it's just a simple question, then ask an AI:

Here is an answer from one:

A coin with a 90-degree die rotation is indeed considered rare and is typically sought after by collectors of numismatic errors and varieties. Here's why:

Significance of Rotation: A 90-degree die rotation means that the obverse (front) and reverse (back) sides of the coin are rotated 90 degrees relative to each other. This type of error is noticeable and often stands out immediately to collectors and experts.

Unusual and Collectible: Such errors are considered unusual and are therefore desirable to collectors because they deviate significantly from the standard minting process where dies are aligned correctly to ensure proper alignment of the coin's design.

Market Demand: The rarity of a coin with a 90-degree die rotation means that it can command higher prices in the numismatic market, especially depending on the coin's denomination, historical period, and condition.

Variability in Rarity: While any coin with a 90-degree die rotation can generally be considered rare, the exact rarity and value can vary depending on factors such as the type of coin, the degree of rotation (exactly 90 degrees or slightly less/more), and the demand among collectors at any given time.

Overall, a coin with a 90-degree die rotation is a notable numismatic error that collectors often seek due to its rarity, visual appeal, and the intrigue surrounding such minting anomalies.
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You are asking for our help, help us to help you, and images are one of the things we ask for. It's not an obsession, it's a requirement. If you don't like it, you can opt out of asking for help.

As for why, most of the people who show up asking questions have very limited knowledge, they've heard a few coin terms and sling them around without context or reference.

If we assume they are using them correctly, we waste a lot of time.

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 Posted 07/22/2024  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a general rule, we "need pics" to make sure that the original poster of a question is actually correct with their observations.

For the specific example of a rotated die, we need pics of obverse, reverse, and an in-front-of-a-mirror shot to prove the rotation, to make sure:
(a) It's not a Magician's coin or similar fabrication;
(b) It's not a counterfeit coin;
(c) That the die rotation is indeed the 90 degrees you are reporting it as.

Because, frankly, all three of those possibilities are more probable than a rotated die error.
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Its like pulling teeth. So maybe ask the site owners to post clearly on the top page that a photo is necessary for a reply, no matter how simple the question is, because of this photo obsession.
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 Posted 07/22/2024  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add idk12345678 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I need pics of the coin so I can grade it as harshly as I could
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I'm a proud member of the 'let's see the coin' bourgeoisie...
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Its like pulling teeth. So maybe ask the site owners to post clearly on the top page that a photo is necessary for a reply, no matter how simple the question is, because of this photo obsession.


Well, you are the only one in almost 20 years that has turned this into so much drama. We have an occasional very minor squawk but then they post a picture and their question is answered clearly. I'm not going to stand by and watch 3 or 4 topics a day starting with 6-8 replies with

It's just ridiculous and helps no one.

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