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Edited by InfiniteInterest
06/26/2009 9:25 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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There is no incuse designer initial  Have you weighed it yet? |
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not a die trial, the design would still be the same as a regular one, just more weakly struck.
This: a really, realy really neat fake.
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Wow...what a cool find!  I'm not a collector of these, but my first impression was the Bison design is really off. 1936, hmmm....that's an intriguing date, I wonder if this forgery is documented? |
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TreasHunt, I am not seeing any design differences other than it does appear to be weakly struck...KurtS, what about the buffalo seems off to you ? After comparing pics from the two posts here, I am not seeing anything wrong except for missing elements of the design possibly caused by a weak strike/die polishing.
I failed to notice the missing initial Biokemist6, the 1916-S in the other post is also w/o initial !
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Hmm...I really don't know, it was just my quick take that the coin seemed "rough", but maybe it's just the strike? I should do an overlay to get a better handle. In any case--an interesting coin! FYI--I find the date 1936 interesting, because that's when Germany was making counterfeit US and UK currency--not sure about coins, though! |
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Thanks KurtS, I am going to have to learn how to do those overlays. I know the editing program I use is capable...but thus far the operator is not !
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I don't think it is a trial strike because a trial strike is caused by low striking pressure as the dies are set up. IMO the rim on this coin is too strong for low striking pressure. The strike of this coin looks similar to a Henning nickel. It looks counterfeit to me. It's hard for me to tell from the photos but are there any small raised dots or pimples scattered sporatically on the coin?
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I'd say fake. The rims are unusually strong for a buffalo and if the dies were polished enough to remove that much of the shallow relief it would have also resulted in a reduced height rim. It can't be a weak strike as shown by the extremely sharp date. (Since the date is the highest point of the design it would be weak or very weak on a weak strike.) Also the word LIBERTY is unusually sharp, something else you don't tend to see on buffalos, and once again something that you WOULD NOT see on a very polished die or a weak strike. Another thing that says it is not a weak strik is the presence of finning on the obv rim from about 12:00 to 2:30. Finning is usually seen on higher pressure strikes. Quote:
FYI--I find the date 1936 interesting, because that's when Germany was making counterfeit US and UK currency--not sure about coins, though! The German counterfeiting of the British pounds and their attempts at starting to counterfeit the US notes took place in 1942 to 1945. (The British notes were the series that began in 1936 though. The actual supposed dates of the notes is found in the watermarks and range from 1936 to 1942.) |
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I'd say fake. The rims are unusually strong for a buffalo... I'm hardly an expert on these coins, and the rims got my immediate attention too...and the die radius where it approaches the edge is odd as well.
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Condor:
Agreed, in addition, if the design is that weak, why the heck is the date so strong?
Not logical.
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Lotta grease in that die. That is my thought on this one and if it is so than it is a fairly nice example. The grease might have moved the metal to the rims which would explain why they are defined. The date and other details remaining look right as does the metal in terms of wear.
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This counterfeit also exists dated 1935 -- looks exactly the same except for the date. This alone would prove that the coin pictured is counterfeit. Still a very interesting and collectable piece.
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HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A SIMILAR PIECE DATED 1935? IT IS MENTIONED IN SPADONE'S "VARIETY AND ODDITY GUIDE" WHICH WAS PUBLISHED FROM THE EARLY SIXTIES UNTIL 1981, SPANNING 8 DIFFERENT EDTIIONS.
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buffnixx:
Don't go by Spadone.
He was great in his time, but many, many of his so-called varieties are no longer accepted as correct.
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I don't see alot of die polish lines on this coin, so I lean towards weakly struck , but polish lines are hard to see on these in my experience.
Posted 06/26/2009 2:13 pm
