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1773 1/2 Penny with out dot or ball below spear?


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Got a token from CCF member Daltonista in the mail today. A "Glastonbury Music Society" penny. Any information about this token is appreciated.

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NumisEd - Nice link on the violins, very interesting. Could be a collectors items except they were used for two Mozart Sinfonia Concertante performances - I assume by Mozart himself. So it's basically now a fortune. I saw an auction the other day with an original Mozart autographed piece of music, not just any bout one of his copies of "Requiem" now that would be a cool collectible to have on my wall!

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/ite...equiem-score

Also a nice piece from Daltonista, I cleaned out a lot of his token books last week ;-)
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A "Glastonbury Music Society" penny. Any information about this token is appreciated.


I can't say much about it all I can find is the Withers catalog number - W-1087 but don't have that book, I found it here:

As an unsold lot from a Baldwin's of St. James sale:
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...6622&lot=937


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Got a token from CCF member Daltonista in the mail today. A "Glastonbury Music Society" penny.

Oh dear - another that I must search for. I spent Millenium night dancing in Glastonbury Tor until 4 AM.
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NumisEd, about that Glastonbury piece: these ten-year-old auction results from London Coins were sent to me today by a fellow exonumismaniac in the UK. Interesting that their lot descriptions offered nothing on attribution or issuer, nor anything at all on dating.

(But it looks like you did okay on price.)






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About the Glastonbury token, I found an article about it in the January 1885 issue of the American Journal of Numismatics.


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A GLASTONBURY PENNY OF 1812 DESCRIBED AS "A BALTIMORE PENNY" OF 1628.

In October of 1883, reference was made in this Journal to an evidently erroneous article in the September number of the Magazine of American History. In this article, entitled "A Baltimore Penny," Mr. H. W. Richardson thus commences the description of a coin, which he attributed to Newfoundland as early as 1628. []
After some remarks on the coinage of James I and his successors, and an elaborate description of the coin under discussion, Mr. Richardson enters into the history of Lord Baltimore's attempted settlement of Newfoundland, concluding his seventeen-page article with the following paragraph. []
When my attention was called to this article, I hunted out from among my unclassified coins one answering to the description ; and although it proved to be of recent coinage, I assigned it a place among the Newfoundland coins and catalogued it as such in the July number of the Journal, thinking that it was possibly the issue of a religious Order or Society in the city of St. John's. Not having been satisfied with this classification, I made further search, and in one "of the ordinary books on coins," "Batty's Catalogue of the Copper Coinage of Great Britain," etc., page 30, found the penny thus describe. []
Here then we find it occupying its proper place as a representative of the town of Glastonbury, forming one of the series generally classified as the " English Tradesmen's Tokens of the Nineteenth Century." Although the innumerable tokens that were issued towards the close of the eighteenth century were called in, and all further issue prohibited, the dearth of copper change in 1810 called for something more than the government seemed willing to accord. Great quantities of penny tokens were struck and circulated in all the principal cities and towns in Great Britain during the three years that followed. This gives the probable date of our token as 1812, and the place of mintage Birmingham. I have been told that the engraver was Thomas Wyon, but it seems improbable, as it is by no means the finest of the nineteenth century tokens, which are inferior as a class in design and execution to those of the eighteenth century.
Glastonbury is a town of about thirty-seven hundred inhabitants, built on a peninsula formed by the windings of the River Brue. It is nearly in the centre of Somersetshire. This peninsula was called by the ancient Britons Ynys yr Avallon, that is, the Island of Apples. In Latin it was written Avalonia, hence the inscription " Pro patria et Avalonia." The town is celebrated for the ruins of the Abbey, once the most celebrated in England. The first church, according to the legends of the monks, was founded by Joseph of Arimathea. In the eighth century, Ina, King of the West Saxons, built and endowed the monastery of Glastonbury. After many vicissitudes it became a flourishing Abbey, and continued to prosper until the destruction of the monasteries in the reign of Henry VIII. * The Spina Sanctus (Latin ungrammatical) refers to the sacred thorn, said to have been brought to Glastonbury and planted by Joseph of Arimathea. This thorn, which was said to blossom constantly on Christmas-day, was an object of great interest to the pilgrims until its destruction during the progress of the Reformation. Here also was the shrine of St. Dunstan and the tomb of King Arthur. The beautiful ruins of the superb Abbey, which it is said once covered sixty acres, are still an attraction.
Turning again to the penny, although not dated, it has all the characteristics of nineteenth century workmanship, but nothing whatever in common with coins struck towards the beginning of the seventeenth century. Copper coins were then small and thin, and none were of a denomination higher than a farthing. There was a strong prejudice against the use of copper, and the full equivalent of value was not attempted to be given until the reign of Charles II.
From these facts we can safely deduce that the Avalon penny was not struck for Newfoundland in 1628, but for Glastonbury in 1812. Had therefore Mr. Richardson acquired as a collector some slight practical knowledge of the English coinages of the seventeenth and nineteenth centuries, he could not have mistaken the date of a Glastonbury penny by two hundred years and the location by fifteen hundred miles.

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Time to update my Peter Kempson, Warwickshire/Coventry Buildings & Gates set with two new additions. DH-260 and DH-287 both steeples, and both are in nice condition with the rare 5th reverse featuring George Frederick Handel. There was a time I didn't think I'd ever find a Handel reverse for sale, now I have several of them. Lost out on one more over the past weekend at an auction which I wasn't too thrilled about, but I'm sure another will show up down the line. Very pleased with these two.

DH-260 is the Grey Friars Steeple:


DH-287 is the Coventry Cross:
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Excellent acquisitions, westcoin. Congratulations, for they are beauties!
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Lovely pickups, westcoin -- almost makes me wish I still collected Conders!


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A couple of follow-up items regarding that Glastonbury Music Society token posted two weeks ago by NumisEd.

As noted by westcoin above, a recent Baldwin's lot description gave us a Withers number, so I contacted Patrick Morehead, a fellow exonumia specialist in the UK who runs an ebay store as rex-coins, for a little help on this piece. Pat was kind enough to send along this excerpt from the Galata Token Book 3, a splendid Paul & Bente Withers production that specializes in tickets and passes of all sorts.

Having ruled out Batty (1877) and Kent (1912), I believe this token's earliest connection in print to the Musical Society appears in this 1922 Davis & Waters catalogue entry from their 350-page magnum opus on tickets and passes, to which Withers refers in that Galata listing as "DWp.132.244":

I'm still scratching my head a little on this one -- the puzzlement is why we have this much information -- as little, in truth, as it really is -- on this token while nothing at all has turned up about the Glastonbury Musical Society itself? Any thoughts?




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I feel confident in saying that, if anything is known concerning such a Musical Society, I should expect to find it in the pages of Notes and Queries. What I am not certain of, is how to find anything in that monumental mass of information.

https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.e...notesqueries
https://journals.scholarsportal.inf...wse/00293970

A Scholars Portal search gives any number of articles entitled "The Glastonbury Thorn", and a couple about the "Glastonbury and Wells Compact of 1327", et cetera, but nothing about a Music Society. Other than that, one might have recourse to whatever local history association exists at the place.
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