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Help With A Nazi Token (Id: Modern Commemorative Token)

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 Posted 06/15/2009  9:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brently to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey Everybody

Im new to these forms and could use some help in Identifying a token. I found this particular token in my friends house, his father was in WWII and had no reason to collect bogus Nazi paraphernalia. The date on the coin is very suspect, any help or advice is appreciated. Thanks



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 Posted 06/16/2009  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date is fine , its his birth and death date.
20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945

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 Posted 06/16/2009  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...his father was in WWII and had no reason to collect bogus Nazi paraphernalia...

It is, nevertheless, bogus Nazi propaganda.

By which I mean, it was made by fake modern neo-Nazis, not genuine WWII Nazis; by the time Hitler died in 1945, the Nazis were in no position to make medals memorializing him. It would not have been made in Germany, France or anywhere else in Europe where neo-Nazism is illegal. Probably made in America.
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 Posted 06/16/2009  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Probably made in America.

Agreed--and by someone with inadequate knowledge. Look at the eagle on the reverse--that's not from the 3R period.
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 Posted 06/16/2009  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, no one said neo-Nazis were smart, did they?
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 Posted 06/16/2009  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right--that is to be expected.
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 Posted 07/07/2009  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thomcollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are similar pieces listed in Unusual World Coins, 4th edition by Colin R. Bruce II. This might be listed in a newer edition.
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 Posted 07/09/2009  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No coins with Hitler on them were ever issued by the 3rd reich.

He did show up on some stamps, however.
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 Posted 07/09/2009  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is still a collectible coin....so don't toss it!
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And welcome to the forum
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It is still a collectible coin....so don't toss it!

For people who collect such nazi memorabilia, such a piece may indeed be interesting. But that does not make it a coin.

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 Posted 10/06/2009  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's just me, but this token made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. What kind of human being would strike a coin commemorating a mass murderer? I wouldn't bother keeping something with that much bad karma...
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I can understand what you're saying, but there is a big market for this kind of thing, like it or not. There are even medals for Stalin, even though he killed approximately five times as many innocent people in the Holodomor, than Hitler did:



so by your reckoning, this medal must have five times worse karma than the Hitler one.

But then again, he was on "our side", wasn't he?
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 Posted 10/06/2009  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, having a hard time with both...let's just say you'll find neither in my collection.
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 Posted 10/06/2009  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The legend on the Stalin medal says:
"Our cause is just
We won"

Not sure that possibly exonerates Stalin, however.
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I think with a little effort we can separate our hobby from the monsters depicted on some coins and tokens that we might possess; I have a few with Reza Pahlavi on them, for example, and he was no saint. I wouldn't immediately brand someone if I discovered a coin or medal depicting the despicable in someone's collection. I also know that the holocaust was real; I don't burn crosses in front yards, and I wouldn't wave these items around, either.
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