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 Posted 02/11/2022  02:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Justice41ca to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

Thank you in advance for stopping to help.

I have brand new American Women Quarters 2022. I bought the P & D 2 roll set and the P, D & S 3 roll set.
When I signed up for these through the Mint, my thought was to Find what might be MS69 or 70 and send them in to see if at least I could get 1- MS70.

I bought 2 sets so I can open one and put the other rolls.
I also have other coins that need to go and it is my understanding you have to have a certain amount to send in so as to not pay a higher price.

I also have my "W" mint coins 1 Jefferson and 3 Lincolns. 2 Lincolns are already slabbed they came that way.

I have come across 2 Coin Collectors, I highly respect, 1 is totally against the TPC's and grading the other one is not against it.
I want these coins to last for a very long time. My Dad was so happy with his collection, but he didn't store them correctly and it really shows.
Please tell your thoughts and what you would do with a perfect coin if found, to keep it that way.

Thanks again.
P.S NO! I don't have a lot of money to throw away as you all say.
I do want to open the rolls though. 1 of each. Should I not?
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 Posted 02/11/2022  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A topic I ponder all the time. To open or not!

First off. Storage is key. A TPG holder will not protect it from environmental damage. Take a look at the 1909 listed in this thread for reference! I store my unopened rolls in plastic tubes. Conditioned space with little to no humidity.

Second, you will not get a MS-70. I hope you prove me wrong but I'm comfortable saying it. Some search hundreds of rolls to get a chance at MS-67.
My bet, unless you get lucky is 99% ms62-ms65. Think about it. If it were as easy as buying a couple of rolls from the mint and sending them in then we would have thousands of ms70's right?! Rule of thumb on this forum is about $150 value coin is benchmark for getting your moneys worth out of grading.

I like to save my rolls. One day when I have time or the right market conditions arise I may get antsy and open one or decide to sell it and buy the grade I want. For instance if an error coin is found that year I will do research to find out where people are finding them. Sometimes you can get a lot of info from those time stamps on mint boxes, and premiums as well for early time stamps!

So much info to gather before I dive in and bust open rolls from the mint for me. My goal is to find bank wrapped ones and search those a few years after they come out. That way I can see what others have found, there isn't a premium paid, unless bought at LCS.

My goal each year is a mint set and at least one bank roll of each cent, nickel, and dime to save for a later date. Mint rolls sometimes. But quarters , halves and dollars are expensive to save and most of the time inflation can eat away at cost to save for ten years like I prefer to do. Exceptions to this arise all the time tho so I'm always checking market conditions.
Good luck!
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 Posted 02/11/2022  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You'll be able to buy high-grade examples in TPG holders for less than grading fees soon enough. Just be patient.



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Patience is a virtue. Given the jostling that (non-proof) coins go through at the mint--once they're out of the striking chamber--they will exhibit an array of contact marks before they are distributed for general circulation, or earmarked for inclusion in special mint packaging. Odds of finding MS69 or better grades are pretty close to those of winning the lottery (the big one). At best you'll find most falling in the MS62-64 range, with a very few at MS65+ to 66.
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Just going to say, I searched boxes of 2018 and 2019 quarters in 2019 looking for Ws, of solid boxes, I found one coin I thought might qualify for MS68, and I'm being optimistic on that, it's more than likely a MS67. I searched new boxes also in 2005 and 2006. Above MS67 is a white whale. MS66 and MS67 is possible with enough searching.

that's the reality of circulation strike coins, some even lower, the vast majority MS64 to MS65, an occasional MS66 or 67, and anything higher is basically a holy grail. MS69 or 70 is basically unheard of ever happening and a 1 in a trillion coin to find.
the mint at full operation is cranking out 1.8 million coins an hour, something like 500 coins a second. on just one press, something like 10-12 coins a second.

they get up to 69 or even 70 from 2005-2010 with the "satin finish" coins from the mint sets, but I think that is more of a marketing gimmick and market grading and less about their actual grades. Literally any other year coins can't really get past MS68. they even stopped the MS70 nonsense after 2005 on those satin finish coins because people knew it wasn't real.

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 Posted 02/15/2022  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Justice41ca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your input.

Thank you for not making me feel stupid.

As far as knowing how hard it is to find a MS69 or 70. I search new coin rolls and am lucky if I find one or two, I will keep.

I am just like a little kid I want to see now.

I guess the reason it is so hard for me is because I know I am lucky most the time. Like getting a quarter with a W mint mark and having to look it up because I didn't know about them. (Working 24-7) It is in pretty good shape.

O.k. So how do other people get the 69 and 70's?

My mint sets for uncirculated coins are not much better to me than the ones I find in the rolls. Is that normal?

Yes, I got hooked and have bought quite a bit from the US Mint. Now I have these coins and I worry about doing the right thing. A few of you said something I want to touch base.

Oh! Yes, I have a lot of books, but I am missing something. Something is not clicking.
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CaptainKurt said,
First off. Storage is key. A TPG holder will not protect it from environmental damage. Take a look at the 1909 listed in this thread for reference! I store my unopened rolls in plastic tubes. Conditioned space with little to no humidity.

I am worried about the coin tubes. I got them in the beginning to put the coins in as I separated them. Like I said my Dad's things were quite a mess as far as organization. Anyway, when I would find a really nice coin in my fathers or in a new bank roll that I would want to keep. I would put it in the coin tube till I could transfer to a book or 2x2. I bought what I thought would be the best and had great reviews. Imagine my surprise when I got to pull them out and give a permanent home, they looked terrible compared to what they looked like when I put them in there. I have spent so much money on items to stop humidity or just to keep dry and not have any interaction with orders or moisture. Where did I miss it.
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Yes, it's normal for uncirculated sets sold by the mint to be quite similar in quality to the 'fresh' coins first delivered to banks in commercially-wrapped rolls.
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 Posted 02/15/2022  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I failed to mention, coins minted as business strike (not proofs) are very, very rarely found in MS69 or 70 condition. It typically takes much searching through thousands and thousands of coins (if not a few million) before anything MS69 or better pops up. It's not impossible, it just takes time, and of course, the ability to fork out a fair amount of $$ to purchase 'fresh' rolls for searching. Volume is the key.
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I wonder if you might be confusing MS ("mint state" / circulation strikes) with PR for proofs.

The VAST majority of 69-70s are PR- proof coins. These are pressed, handled, and packaged specially and with care. If you were to buy these in proof sets, you should almost expect 67-69 grades with 70s around but sort of the luck of the draw.

Circulation coins what would qualify for the MS-xy don't get any special treatment with just an average strike from an average die through an average machine and into an average bag. Hence why they usually received out of the mind as MS63-65 and over 67 become extremely rare.

Finding your coins as PR69-70 wont be too hard once the bulk buyers get their big submissions back over the next couple of months. They are after the PR70s and often sell off the PR67-69 labelled coins for less than your submission and shipping costs. I'd just wait on those. Wait until later this year and you'll be pleasantly surprised at how cheap the non-PR70s can get; it's the discount bin for the bulk submitters because people with $ only want the 70 labelled coins.

If you are determined for an "MS"68+, start saving the $.
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 Posted 02/16/2022  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Justice41ca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

in1944

Thank you,
Oh my gosh, isn't that, right? I thought it was just me. I expected at least on or 2 coins out of 5 rolls to be what I would think (from the books) would be 69 or 70.
Once I found out that Strike had a lot to do with it. It made more since.
Many books left out the Full Strike part of it.

Collects82

Thank you,

I have proofs I have bought from the mint also. I just have seen a lot of MS 69- or 70 listed for sell. Not of all coins just some. I could have sworn there were more listed.

I am saving my money as I have an error coin, I want to get authenticated. That is so not true..... Yes, I do have one, but I could live without it getting graded.

Honestly it is my "W" Coins I want to get graded. Besides the one quarter I have. I went after the Dime, Nickle, even the pennies. I am afraid to touch them they are so great. I can't leave in the little baggie, or I know something is going to ruin them.20
I have heard that there is a discount it you have 20 or more. plus, I have a couple of Proofs I believe are 70.
So maybe in a couple of years? LOL

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If determined to get slabbed, I always suggest waiting on ANACS for a few months and hopefully a monthly special applies. Would save you $ over going to NGC/PCGS and they can grade these just as well. Their specials are often in the $8-12/coin range + sometimes shipping. They don't have the handling fee surcharges or membership fees on top of it too.
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02/16/2022 12:03 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2022  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is by far the best and most complete storage solution I have I thought you might be interested in this post:

http://goccf.com/t/20377

Then this by jbuck


1. Keep them in better slabs, Air-tites, and other more secure holders.

2. Place whatever you use to organize them (album, box) into zipper type plastic bags with desiccants and sacrificial red copper coins (like common pre-Zinc Memorial cents). Squeeze out as much excess air as possible.

3. Then put your bags into some other sturdy, sealable container with more desiccants and sacrificial copper. BadThad would say "mo' layers, mo' better!"

4. Finally, store it somewhere with climate control (low humidity and stable temperature).
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Quote: from captainkurt

This is by far the best and most complete storage solution I have I thought you might be interested in this post:

http://goccf.com/t/20377

Then this by jbuck.


Oh my gosh thank you... I have everything except the : Disposable plastic transfer pipet- I have to look that up. Oh thank you thank you thank you. I have my W nickel and dime that I know I have to get out of the baggie they are in and move to the capsule. Now I think I might be comfortable to do it.
Plus, if the day comes, I want to separate a set I can transfer coins safely.
I just received my Trump coin from the mint it was on back order from last year. I have to preserve this also.
Now I am so excited I have a light at the end. I have been really worried. The humidity is really bad in my house due to the AC running all the time.
I have spent money on charcoal and silica gel desiccants. Once I know what I am doing I won't have to buy the ones that change color.
You all are great. Thank you so much
Once I learn how to take better pictures I will share.
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