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I bought this medal on ebay for a total of 21.70,it is supposed to be sterling according to the seller....But it looks like there is rust on the medal,which would lead me to think that its not silver....What do you guys think? Image: 8b5c_1.jpg39.79 KB Image: 8bd5_1.jpg28.29 KB
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Valued Member
United States
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Most French medals are marked on their rim;
Copper: cuivre Silver: argent sometimes it will be stamped: metal
Maybe your rim is stamped with one of these markings?
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 United States
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schutzenfester Thanks,it does say argent on the rim....but I'm still confused about the rust marks,oh well!!
thanks again
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, very interesting medal. I'm not into these, but I look at them from time to time, to admire the imagery, the craftmanship, and sometimes, the pure beauty of them. I find your medal quite interesting, although I don't pretend to understand it.
Rust: I can see a couple of dark patches on the obverse. I'm not sure that they are "rust", but. You might set your mind at ease if you run a magnet over the medal. If there's no attraction, then you're one step closer to identification. If you do have "magnetic silver", I'd keep it as a conversation piece.
Next step, measure the medal, and try to calculate what you would expect it to weigh if it was silver. Then weigh it: most non-silver metals and alloys, that look silver-like, are about one-third lighter than silver. If the weight's wrong, then it's not silver. If the weight's right, it probably is silver.
Whatever those spots are, I'd do something about them. If they are corrosion, then they'll probably "grow". If you search the CCF, under that rarely-spoken word "cleaning", there are suggested methods of removing corrosion, while minimizing potential further damage.
Back to the medal itself: I wonder what it was trying to commemorate &/or promote ? obverse: very tall lady talking to a boy - he's hardly taller than his rifle. She is sitting on what appears to be a muzzle-loading cannon. The cannon is pointing in the direction of some soldiers who appear to be "charging". The soldiers, so far as I can see, are wearing the style of helmet worn by the French and Belgian soldiers in WW1. The boy has both hands over the muzzle of his rifle. When I was a soldier that would result in the award of "immediate, intense, remedial training", which was a lot similar to what earlier generations called "punishment".
Reverse: a lot of items there - stirrups; a book; a wheeled device; a helmet; a rifle; at least two swords; gloves; and a bugle. The lion seems to have been done-in already.
I wish my French was good enough for me to get a handle on the legend on each side.
I'd be interested to hear more from someone who can explain the medal.
I hope your efforts at conserving the medal are successful.
Peter in Oz
Edited by Peter THOMAS 05/01/2008 4:29 pm
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Hi there, Your Medal is a War Medal.
1911 Silver medal struck in France. Obverse: Youth with Musket and woman in robe seated on a cannon. At base, the words "PRO PATRIA" and around the upper border, the legend "SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM" (Meaning is a Latin adage translated as, "If you want peace, prepare for war" Or ("If you seek peace, prepare for war.") At the lower right border, the name of the artist "P. Grandhomme."
Reverse: At bottom, a lion over the words, "FORCE-COURAGE". In panel around the border, the legend "ENTRAINMENT-PHYSIQUE - PREPARATION MILITAIRE" (Meaning Physically ready and prepared for WAR). In the center, a vertical panel with the words "PRIX DU MINISTRE DE LA GUERRE" (Meaning It is the highest honor Medal OFFERED BY THE MINISTER OF WAR at that time). Around it, various implements of war, including air-plane. At lower right, in small letter, the name of the artist and the date "1911". On the rim, the word, "ARGENT".
Circular: 1 15/16" It should be Exactly (50mm) in diameter
Edited by Silver Gorilla 05/01/2008 12:22 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If it is rust and not some other stain or toning, it is possible that it is only a transfer stain from being in contact with an iron object. I found some generic silver coins in an old can of nails in a friends garage one time and the coins were a bit rusty from the nails  . I did not bother cleaning them up and just sold them as bullion(after purchasing them from said friend) but that is not really an option in your case.
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Thanks guys for all the Info....the medal is not magnetic,so I guess it might be authentic (Peter THOMAS,  I never liked the rare magnetic silver ,not even as conversation pieces)...as for the rust marks,I was thinking that maybe biokemist6 might be right about the nails or such,afterall something had to gouge those little nicks in there! Silver gorilla...AN AIRPLANE? Are you sure...I can't seem to locate it on the medal 
Edited by Mr Finger 05/01/2008 7:04 pm
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Mr .Finger Do you see on the revers on the vertical panel with the words "PRIX DU MINISTRE DE LA GUERRE" look over the words at the edge of the top panel and you will see the plane
Edited by Silver Gorilla 05/01/2008 7:40 pm
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OHHH,Okay,I thought it was something else....didnt look like a plane 
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Australia
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G'day, I think I can see an old style aeroplane. One tip of oits propeller is very near the muzzle of the rifle: am I right ? Now, look to the left of the rifle, there is a spoked wheel, apparently in a fork, but I can't see mush else connected to it. Was the French Army big on unicycles back then ? This is a very interesting medal. Peter
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