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Montana, as another poster put earlier, it's hard to believe, but we had more buyers in the 30's than in the teens. It's an emotional ride, and you've gotta have the stomach for it. I don't think a lot of people do. We are so into the "what's hot" game that we "cut our losses", which sometimes make sense. It's all about the plan going in, how much pain you can take, and your exit strategy. "Fail to plan, and you plan to fail" is the adage that comes to mind.
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Hi Leo,
Other than the Hunt brothers trying to corner the silver market, this was really the first time silver had taken off in 2011. Given this history, I think the psychology would be very different this time. People were talking about how silver may never hit 30 again (reading old posts). In addition, lots of people buying in the 30s were new to the market. Again, I think very few would be buying into the 30s this time around. Lesson learned from 2011. I am very grateful I wasn't introduced to coins in 2010 as I would have probably bought into the 30s as well.
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Quote: That brings me to another point. As a trader, I don't waste my time with thinking about deflation, stagnation, inflation or anything else. It really doesn't matter at all. It means absolutely nothing to me.
It is not my job to "guess" whats coming up. What matters right now, whats leaving clues is the price action. I don't need to waste my time in debating in my mind "what if" or "could be" .... I see it, when price reaches important points, I take action. Yup7676: "Yeah Right!" you don't short commodities? you don't take long positions? YOur statement ignores basic trader Psychology. Behind the charts are reasons. Its the "reasons" that can make the difference between a successful trader and serving fries
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@austrokiwi
I think you are missing what I am saying, again, my point is I trade PRICE only.
I wont sell short, I wont buy, UNLESS price confirms it. Very simple. Psychology has nothing to do with it.
You are completely missing the point. Let me repeat myself: I do NOT CARE about stagflation, inflation, deflation, I don't care about economic reports. I do not trade based on any of that. Why?
1- I do NOT NEED A REASON to trade. The reason comes AFTER the price action, always. If we wait for a reason, the move of importance in the market has already started and well off.
2- A trader does not look at chart, and based on what it says, take immediate action, rather he waits for confirmation to validate what the chart is saying, what the price is saying.
3- this is very important- its the markets REACTION and not the event or what is said that is IMPORTANT.
Therefore, with point 3 in mind, if there is talk about inflation, but it doesn't materialize, its pointless. There can be talk of deflation, but if its not manifesting itself in a trade and confirming, its foolish to take a trade.
Therefore, a true trader does not react on psychology. Rather, he waits for price action to confirm whether he should take a position and in which way; he doesn't rely on psychology.
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Yup7676: unless your the equivalent of a day trader sitting in your own home I just can't believe you, as to believe you would be incredibly naive. Yes what you are saying is repeated by 100s of traders I am sure all of them like you actually believe it. The psychological studies tell a very different story!! You may not even be conscious of the non-chart influences on your actions.
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My dear austrokiwi, again I repeat myself. I do not care but solely about one thing- price action.
Market psychology is something entirely different....and even there, that also means nothing when I trade price. As far as my process I use as a trader, as I stated already, I ignore everything and follow price and that patterns that I see and get confirmation to trade.
Everything else is just noise.
BTW, the term "day trader" is grossly outdated and being taken out of circulation by todays prop desks. It is now known and referred to as "intra-day" trading. Day trading is from the 2000's. Please keep up with the terminology.
Feel free to believe what you wish.
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yup7676 Quote: again I repeat myself. I do not care but solely about one thing- price action. 
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United States
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Resistance is futile austrokiwi (LOL)
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Mexico
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yup7676, I remember reading your posts a long time ago and remember thinking "this guys is nuts"...not that that part has changed entirely, but have found that I can agree with you on one point: Quote: 1- I do NOT NEED A REASON to trade. The reason comes AFTER the price action, always. If we wait for a reason, the move of importance in the market has already started and well off. We don't find out about the REASON for the price action until LONG after the movement. The trade has to keep that in mind when doing his JOB. The REASON for the movement, especially if working on extremely short term movements, will only come later.
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@harrison2
I just about bust out laughing when I read that first line lol
In anycase, yes thank you for understanding that very simple and true principle in trading; a very basic one.
I have always said it and find it to be true- traders do not need need to know the "Reason" why something either goes up or down.
As an example, I trade many stocks that are breaking out to fresh yearly highs. The stocks are in an uptrend, they are market leaders. PRICE is confirming that by the fact that they are at 52 highs. The vast majority of the time I have no idea, AT ALL what these companies even do.
Yet... there is ZERO news on why they are moving. There is no talk in the press about why... then guess what happens. Weeks, months later, the companies announce news products, or improved or improving sales. This happens AFTER the price has been moving higher.
That also illustrates my point that I don't care whats going on.. I do not need to know. All I need to know is if the stock is moving into an important area of price, and is it going to confirm. Then I take action.
As Mr Harrison2 points correctly, we found out the reasons LONG after the move of importance. If we WAITED for the reason, we could not be able to profit.
This is a very simple concept. Sadly tho, many try to over think things or make them more complex than they really need to be.
THanks again Harrison2 for confirming what I have been saying all along.
With gold and silver, who cares why.... we will find out why down the road.. but in the meantime, profits wont be made my waiting and asking and thinking about why...
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@Liverpool
As always, thank you very much for the words of encouragement and commendation, my sole goal here has been to help educate, to share what I know so that markets don't seem complex or a mystery.
I find that trading is very simple. However, where it gets murky is how we as humans make it complex. As humans we have emotions; emotions that run wild and can cause us to ignore or blinds us to what is simple and right in front of us.
As a trader I have learned the best possible recipe for success and to be in tune to the market is to have an open mind, do not have preset opinions in place and "listen" to the price action, allow it to "talk" to me. I also recognize that many times, despite what price is saying, there will be occasions where I can be wrong, therefore, no matter how I feel, I accept that I am wrong and continue to wait patiently as price will continue to leave more clues as to whether the time is ready for that move of importance.
It is by cultivating these traits that I have learned how markets work and that keeping things absolutely simple is what leads to ultimate success which in turn gives one the experience to say "yes I have seen this pattern before".
Again, if I Can share this with others and help them avoid making some mistake... that is a very nice reward. There is no need for someone to get burned, by say, buying every dip in silver. If I can get someones attention why it isn't a good time to do that, thats great. Others have made mistakes, there is no need for someone else to repeat the same mistake.
@MontanaCMR
well, here is the thing. Lets say the PMs digest these moves, time goes by, they move up, grind around, move past all the levels in price where there is overhead supply... and end up at all time highs. What happens there?
If silver and gold hit all time highs again, I will be buying gold and silver. I would also be a buyer of gold and silver if they break this downtrend, whenever that may be.
Am I changing my stance and flipping around just because when I say that? No
As a trend following trader, seeing all time highs, yearly highs, is a buy signal and I would put out a line to test whether its ready to go or not. So yes, I would be a buyer of gold if it broke 1,920.08 and silver at its all time highs. IF yearly highs rolled around I would also be a buyer.
By the fact that silver and gold would be at yearly highs would be telling us the trend was again in a strong uptrend and that higher prices would be coming as well, especially if we were hitting all time highs.
So yes, count me in as a buyer at all time highs or yearly highs
It may sound confusing, and even contradicting in a sense, but remember, its all about following the trend.
As was written many many many decades ago, no asset is too high to buy, and no asset is to low to sell. Obviously proper entry points are required and one excellent point to enter when buying is at yearly highs.
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Valued Member
Canada
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YUP7676 - I know it's good to be challenged every now and then, but it really waists my time having to read all the comments from those who disagree with your insight. Is there anywhere you could post your weekly comments without having to read all the other jibberish? I know you aint gonna be right 100% of the time, but I know if I would have listened to your suggestions 10 months ago, I would have had a lot more wealth than I do today.
Thanks for your time, and all I really need now, it to figure out your theory of when to start buying silver again. Just send me a PM when you think that's happened :)
Thankyou again for your patience and insight.
Gary
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
Yup,
As you know, markets are very difficult to predict, regardless of approach. Although I don't try to predict markets, I am involved with data mining, analytics, and business intelligence. Models are great looking at historical data, and can even learn to some extent (neural networks).
If the markets were easy to predict, we would all be swimming in money just following trends. Best of luck of luck to all of us with this hobby. Even if I just followed trends, I wouldn't quit my day job.
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Yup7676: Based on your declarations I am pretty sure you do not have the experience or wisdom of years you think you have. I wasn't talking about Market Psychology I was talking about Trader Psychology and your posts show every indication of being absolutely typical while you claim to be atypical. In 10 years or so you will be mortified to read the posts you have written!
Edited by austrokiwi 11/05/2014 03:28 am
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Valued Member
Australia
491 Posts |
Just for Good Looks into the future.
Silver chart is US$15.40oz
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