Listing has been reported and I got a response back saying the listing has been removed but may take 24 hours to update (odd). It still appears as a live listing for me.
You can find more information about all of these counterfeit toonies at CamelToeToonies.ca.
Very few of the "Z Dollard" toonies entered circulation, and they originated in the Thornbury, Ontario, area. Don't expect to find one in circulation as only a small number circulated. The Camel Toe Toonies on the other hand are in circulation in the millions and are easy to find.
Counterfeit toonies can still be found easily in circulation. Until that changes, they should continue to receive as much publicity as possible, both within numismatic circles and especially in the general media.
Please do your part by talking about counterfeit toonies and sharing the link to CamelToeToonies.ca.
The Camel Toe Toonies website (https://cameltoetoonies.ca) has been updated to include the new Double Canada fake toonies along with some recent media coverage.
I have yet to see any of these coins first-hand, but I would like to so that I can get some more complete details up on the website. If anyone encounters any of these coins, please contact me through the website. Thank you!
It's hard to say if any fakes are. I've opened boxes of coins post-ARP and found fakes in there (not the new Soo variety - Camel Toes). It's too early to say much of anything about the Soo variety.
This would certainly appear to be a new variety of counterfeit toonie. Without more reports, I suspect that this one will be limited geographically and in terms of quantity, just like the Z Dollard coins from Hawkesbury, ON. Someone probably spent a handful of the things and they were picked out quickly.
The Camel Toe toonies continue to be a major problem with coins being found across a wide geographic area and they are plentiful.
The 10000 number is just what was seized by the RCMP. That is a drop in the bucket compared to all of the counterfeit Camel Toe toonies in circulation. Conservative estimates put the real number at upwards of 100x that many.
The Ontario Chapter of the International Bank Note Society is now open for business!
If you're in Ontario (or not, we're not picky!), you may want to join the new IBNS Ontario Chapter! The Chapter has monthly Zoom meetings where you can meet other local collectors with similar interests, keep up-to-date with what's happening and enjoy fun topical show-and-tell and periodic educational presentations.
All IBNS members are invited to join the Ontario Chapter and guests are always welcome. If you're not already a member of the IBNS, you are encouraged to join and receive all the benefits of membership including the awesome IBNS Journal.
Our first meeting is Thursday March 17 with a show-and-tell theme of "military" and a special presentation from Michael Zigler titled "Siege Notes from the Boer War and Khartoum". Thursday March 17 at 19:00 Eastern/Toronto time on Zoom Meeting ID: 892 8689 1630 Passcode: 507997
The Ontario Chapter is being operated in association with the Waterloo Coin Society, a local coin club in Ontario, Canada. Through this association, Chapter members will benefit by receiving the WCS Newsletter which will expand by two pages and serve as the Chapter's official publication. Association with WCS will also allow for membership promotions where members of one organization can join the other at a discounted* rate. The cooperation between WCS and the IBNS Ontario Chapter will also provide increased publicity for both as well as the IBNS.
Membership in the IBNS Ontario Chapter is FREE for existing IBNS members.
The board of directors for the IBNS Ontario Chapter consists of President Brent W.J. Mackie, Secretary Peter Becker and Directors Ken Brown, Jeff Wilson and Michael Zigler.
For more information, please contact me, email mailto:ontariochapter@theibns.org or contact the Waterloo Coin Society on Facebook!
* WCS members joining the IBNS can apply to WCS for a $5 rebate paid by WCS.
You can look up the text of the Criminal Code of Canada just as easily as I can. It has been discussed many times before on these forums so I do not want to beat a dead horse.
Bottom line is that a fake coin is a fake coin and possession of them is illegal, as stated. Stamps of COPY or FAKE do not change that.
The concern is that these coins, marked or not, could be misidentified as authentic, even by a blind person wearing gloves. If you melt them down, or smash them into a big lump of metal, or otherwise "significantly" destroy them or turn them into something other than coins, then in my opinion they are no longer coins and no longer of concern.
Of course as I said earlier, law enforcement currently has a very ambivalent stance on these coins. The legality of holding them does not change. Think of it like running a stop sign in the middle of the night with nobody around for miles. It's still illegal, but the cops don't care. (This is NOT an endorsement to possess counterfeit coins - quite the opposite!)
By the letter of the law, it is illegal to possess counterfeit coins.
There are some exceptions, none of which I expect would apply to you so they're not worth discussing. Stamping "COPY" or whatever is irrelevant and doesn't make it legal. The recommended course of action is to turn your fakes in to the police and let them deal with it. However, with the obvious ambivalence of law enforcement in this matter, why bother, particularly for small quantities? If you found a whole box of them, that's another matter.
So we're back to the question of what to do with them. Find a buddy with one of those backyard forge things and melt them down.
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Skip ahead to 6:22.
Seriously, I'd love to find someone with a forge like this.
I have no reason to believe that production of these counterfeits has ceased. There seem to be more and more in circulation as time goes on. COVID isn't the only pandemic we're dealing with.
Posted 02/22/2025 10:42 pm
Thursday March 17 at 19:00 Eastern/Toronto time on Zoom