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| Contest In Honor Of The 1652 New England III Pence Recently Verified By PCGS
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
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 Posted 08/12/2024 09:19 am
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Awesome initiative, GMS!
I'll definitely give it a try as well.
Like Westcoin, I took the average of all your submissions and came to around $5,000,000 USD.
However, my mindset is always to think BIG, so I'm going for $20,000,000 USD. |
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 08/08/2024 4:39 pm
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Thank you, everyone.
Unfortunately, I couldn't share anything about the coin for a long time.
Now the news is finally out.
I am over the moon and have been speechless since I found out that it has been authenticated and will be auctioned.
What an adventure this has been! |
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
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Posted 07/25/2024 11:08 am
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Thank you, everyone!
It was a long and exciting adventure, but with a beautiful result.
Now, we just have to wait and see how it will end and in which collection the coin will eventually end up.
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/09/2024 1:09 pm
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Dear all,
Here I would like to give a sign of life and report that the story is not over yet.
Please know that I immediately read every message posted in this topic and that I am grateful for all the support I still receive after all these years.
Unfortunately, I still can't give you an update because I promised not to release any more information.
Believe me I will do that as soon as I can, the story started here with you, and however it turns out, it will end here.
The research takes a lot of time, and that is a good thing, it means that it is done very thoroughly.
Thank you all so much and I hope to be able to report something soon. |
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 10/13/2022 3:37 pm
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hi guys,
I haven't posted here for a while because I don't want to get in the way of the auction house research in any way.
Just a sign of life now so that you also know the current state of affairs.
Unfortunately no final results about the coin yet, I don't hear much about it myself.
The only news I got in the meantime was positive.
The investigation is still ongoing and I hope to have a definitive answer this year.
The fact that they are still working on it is good news as far as I'm concerned. |
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/26/2021 09:50 am
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@whatdowehavehere,
I am getting so very tired of you, I also stop putting more energy into responding to your meaningless, unsubstantiated, far-fetched and often laughable statements.
I don't have to prove anything to you, and if I could, you wouldn't believe it.
@ the rest, thanks for the support and trust! |
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| 1652 New England 3 Pence?
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/26/2021 08:46 am
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This interesting book recently bought, it contains a lot of information about the products of the NE coins and the working method of John Hull.
1 average melt at the Massachusetts Bay Mint back then contained about 25 troy pouds of silver, about 400 clipped Spanish Reales, debased with copper.
The book also mentions that they found information in the ledgers of Hull that he bought scrap silver in his silvershop and even occasionally stolen silver and added this to the melt.
The composition of the silver could therefore fluctuate quite often. |
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/26/2021 07:57 am
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Then again, as mentioned in multiple sources and studies, Colonial American silver had multiple sources of origin, melted down Spanish coins and scrap silver.
Then the silversmith may add some copper to buy 'approximately' at the desired level.
It is also known that John Hull did not take that very seriously.
The Ne Coins have been minted for a number of months, the composition of the silver of the planchets used for my coin and the MHS coin may therefore differ because they probably were not struck immediately after each other.
In addition, at that time they did not yet have the possibility to purify the silver so finely so that all trace elements such as gold, lead and zinc could be removed.
The composition of my coin is therefore in line with what you can expect from a silver coin from that time.
Does that mean he is real? No Unfortunately not.
It will not be difficult for a forger to obtain old silver with the correct composition.
That is why it is nice that my coin has the right composition, which in any case excludes a forgery in modern silver, but not automatically that the coin is genuine.
This will have to be determined by careful study of the stamps by various experts and comparison with the MHS specimen.
That is the path that has now been taken and will hopefully provide a definitive answer. |
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/26/2021 04:01 am
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Special to read that my coin resembles the Ashmore and that you are now even informed that it is a 'Mario' creation.
Two counterfeits that are nowhere near my coin!
And that while my coin exactly matches the MHS copy, but that cannot be true?
For me you are now really on a mission and that mission is to dismiss my coin as false in every possible way, even with bizarre examples and arguments.
Believe me, I did my studies to learn all about these types of coins and have seen these counterfeits pass by as well, absolutely no match with my coin in any way.
At the beginning of this process I received a message from the person with the highest position within the C4 club.
He says an early forgery is unlikely.
He also says that my coin does not match any known counterfeits, and he knows them all, the style is completely different.
He also says that the style matches exactly with the MHS copy and is probably struck with the same dies.
He also says that the small variations in the stamps may well be due to the multiple strikes, which was the norm.
He does say that it has a long way to go to prove its authenticity and should be seen in hand by various experts, including himself.
So, please, let's keep the judgment with the experts.
If you have conclusive proof that the coin is counterfeit or genuine, please report it. But don't make it a witch hunt with claims and arguments that make no sense. That only clouds the messages and information that are useful in this topic. |
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larsjan
Valued Member
Netherlands
53 Posts |
Posted 04/24/2021 08:34 am
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@steviegetz
I agree, there are definitely enough professionals with the skills to make a die that can be used to make a convincing forgery.
In the meantime I have seen enough examples of this and your coin is a good example of that too. However, in yours I see convincing differences between the real one and the forgery.
The letters are clearly different, if you would lay them over each other you would see that no letter is a clear match. Something which is the case with my coin and which seems impossible to me to achieve on such a small scale, even by the most talented craftsman.
In addition, if it were possible, it would take so much time and effort, so why save only 1 copy. Then more should be known I think. |
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