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| Post Your Papal States Coins - Reverse Chronological Schedule By Ruler
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Bacchus2
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 Posted 02/26/2025 10:02 am
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I'll post another one.
This is a Pius VII 1 Baiocco of 1816. It's "different" in that the design features 3 heads in a row on the bottom of the reverse. Most other coins have this design feature as just stars.
The obverse has quite a nice heraldic achievement. The engraver of the shield (the coat of arms) has used some artistic licence with a curved, off centre, escutcheon but it is very effective.
It combines the coat of arms of the Benedictine order (at dexter or right side) with that of the Chiaramonti family (at sinister or left side). |
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| Post Your Papal States Coins - Reverse Chronological Schedule By Ruler
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Bacchus2
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Posted 02/21/2025 04:31 am
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Great bit of history there - thanks for that I find that understanding the context of coins is so much more rewarding.
I've decided to post two of the same coin. The reason is the doubling of the 2 on the reverse. I can't see it being an overstrike and I have two of these examples so it must be fairly common. I'm not entirely sure how or why this was caused.
It's a 5 Baioccho from 1842 and the "B" is for Bologna mint.
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| Vatican City 1973 50 Lira - And More
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Bacchus2
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Posted 02/13/2025 04:02 am
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Thanks very much for those corrections.
Yes - the identification for the Innocent XII 1/2 baiocco fits perfectly. If I'm reading Krause right there should be regnal years on the obverse as well but are, alas, worn off on this example. However if it isn't on Numista I could offer it for an example until a better one comes along.
I do have another ask please. I have this 1823 1/2 Scudo and am researching the various elements on the coat of arms ./ heraldic achievement.
It displays a knight holding a sword in the upmost third (chief), a knight holding a sword in the middle third (fess) and a skull and crossbones in the bottom third (base) but I can't seem to find any reference as to what the skull and crossbones actually represents. It's really quite a neat emblem to have on a coin.
Thanks again for all your help
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| Vatican City 1973 50 Lira - And More
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/08/2025 04:50 am
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"Same number against multiple coins and an extra 1 slipped in front of a few of the numbers, KM1147, instead of KM#147 etc"
Thank for the heads up - yes there are a few errors there to fix.
"That's exactly the reason I built my CCF gallery. Doesn't matter where I was, I could pull it up and see what I had. (it's maxed out now though, so I can't add any more)"
That's a cool collection - I will take some time and peruse it.
"I note you don't have this one"
I'm pretty sure I do have it somewhere - I just haven't uploaded it yet. It's really the only example from a very short tenure - so interesting from that point alone. Yours is a very nice example.
"The more interesting types to me pre-date their incorporation into the Papal States in 1598"
I remembered I do have a page of European medieval coinage on my site (it's a bit of a warren I really have to sort out navigation better) - but there's only 1 "Italian" coin there.from the Viscounts
Galeazzo and Barnabo
https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/07/2025 05:11 am
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Hi again.
Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate the feedback and I'm happy to take any corrections. I keep doing passes of the page and finding things to fix. Everything is written in html from scratch which sounds impressive but you really only need to learn about 20 commands and then there is a lot of cutting and pasting and tweaking (which is how it's so easy for errors to creep in).
I find doing this has a number of benefits. It really forces (probably the wrong word) me to learn about the coin and look at the detail and the background of the imagery.
I can display the coins how I want, and include the details or links as I want as well rather than being forced into a preset template.
Being a website I can call it up on any device from anywhere and check what I have and don't have. It can be frustrating to be on a trip to a music festival at a Viking burial ground in Norway and an alert comes up that an auction site has a coin you might want and you need to check if you have it or not. Lets face it - we've all done it :)
Thanks also for pointing out that 1603 Quattrino. I hadn't in fact noticed that at all. Always a very nice surprise to find a bit of a scarce one. So many corrections to make...
Please do let me know if you have displayed your collection somewhere. I'm always happy to see others collections and learn something.
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| Vatican City 1973 50 Lira - And More
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Bacchus2
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2532 Posts |
Posted 02/05/2025 09:01 am
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Quote:
"Do you aspire to an OFER (On From Every Reign), or similar collection?"
Yes... and No.
I'm aware that some are quite difficult to get so while it would certainly be interesting to aspire to - I'm not going to get fixated on it. I'll just collect what takes my interest. This is the line I take with all my other coin areas or else there madness lies.... |
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/04/2025 2:05 pm
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Thanks for that suggestion. Having a much more knowledgeable contact is always useful.
My aim is to show how much that can be learned from generally inexpensive coins with all the history and symbolism that they contain.
It's certainly enjoyable for me and creating the webpage gives me an extra goal to strive for. |
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| Vatican City 1973 50 Lira - And More
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/04/2025 1:33 pm
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Hi Albert. Thanks for that. I use Paint Shop Pro for my picture editing which has basically the same rotating feature. I think there is still an issue here as if you look at the distance between the star and the L, it's much greater than that between the 0 and the following star. It really should be equidistant.
Sorry I'm not familiar with the King of Bermania. Alas I don't move in such exaulted circles. & |
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| Vatican City 1973 50 Lira - And More
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/04/2025 08:14 am
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Thanks Rob.
I was one of those tourists recently and was really impressed with Rome so I hope to go back soon.
I not to collect Euros as I don't particularly like them (I find them a bit soulless) but I have the pre-Euro sets from 1960 to 2001 bar a couple.
I'm really more interested in the pre 1870 coins so hope to focus there. The varieties are really quite extensive. |
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
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Posted 02/04/2025 05:34 am
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Hi everyone - I've added another 20 or so coins to my Papal States / Vatican city web page (link above)
I was adding this one and noticed the date seems to be an overdate, but I'm not sure what of. Would anyone have a reference to indicate what the underlying number might be? It's certainly not rare as I have 2 of them.
thanks in advance
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Bacchus2
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United Kingdom
2532 Posts |
Posted 11/02/2024 06:51 am
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Hi,
I've been working on a web page showcasing my coins from the Papal States and Vatican City. I've tried to go a bit deeper than just show the picture but unpick what the details of the coins actually tell us - from heraldry to symbolism and more. Doing this is a great learning activity as it forces me to actually research the history.
https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html
It's very much a work in progress but happy to take any feedback or corrections.
As I was doing this I noticed that some coins (particularly from the early 70's seemed to be "off" An example is this one below. If you notice the "L 50" is in the exact centre of the bottom yet the stars on either side are not aligned. Just another facet of this fascinating area.
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